What will Obama say about this one?

[JustRalph]

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/elderly-man-dies-after-being-attacked-outside-ice-arena/-/101214/21574858/-/9flm7iz/-/index.html

88 yr old WWII vet beaten to death. Add this one to the baseball player the other day.........****ing cowards!

[ElKabong]

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/elderly-man-dies-after-being-attacked-outside-ice-arena/-/101214/21574858/-/9flm7iz/-/index.html

88 yr old WWII vet beaten to death. Add this one to the baseball player the other day.........****ing cowards!

"If I had sons that killed whites for fun, these young men would look like me"

I wonder if this will get Holder involved.....(wrong race did the killing, sorry Shorty)

from the article.....Spokane police are looking for two male suspects in the attack. They said the suspects are African Americans between 16 and 19 years old.

[so.cal.fan]

I only hope the police track these two MONSTERS down and do NOT take them alive.
There will be no justice done in Washington State or Washington DC.

If this isn't a hate crime........don't know what is.

Pure and simple a racial hate crime. Yes, Ralph, these crimes have been on the increase since Nov. of 2008, now haven't they.

EL K.
I missed your call, was going to call you back, but we are too angry about this story. I haven't been this angry for a long time.
It's very sad that a nice old man, who was enjoying his life, playing pool with friends and working on cars is now been murdered by hateful black racists. No f***ing defense for this. NONE.

[cj's dad]

Careful so.Cal.Fan, you will be labeled a racist as have I for being realistic about what is happening in the states. And, where are the libs on this topic re: the Oklahoma racist shooting of the Australian baseball player by 3 young black PUNKS who did nothing other than kill a man in the prime of his life. Step up to the plate libs and let us know your true fellings.

[so.cal.fan]

CJ's dad: We are seniors who are just decent citizens who want a peaceful and safe life.
I have never been a racist in my life. I judge people by their character and I'm sure you do too.
I'm very heartsick about these killings. This will make things worse, a lot worse.
Obama is a fault, so is the media and academia.

If any of the left wing loonies on this board wish to attack me, Ralph, El K. or CJ's dad, go right ahead....it shows who you really are.
I won't answer you. I'll let Tom, Ralph and PA do that.

[Dahoss2002]

This kinda crap makes you sick.

[newtothegame]

I heard one of the WH staffers said that Obama did not want to interfere with the legal process.....
:lol:

Hmmm amazingly, he wants to interfere in "some" legal issues when I guess it suits him or one of the victims could of been one of his kids! :bang:

If the offender(s) could of been one of his kids, then its best to not say anything!!

[Marshall Bennett]

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/elderly-man-dies-after-being-attacked-outside-ice-arena/-/101214/21574858/-/9flm7iz/-/index.html

88 yr old WWII vet beaten to death. Add this one to the baseball player the other day.........****ing cowards!
Unfortunately you could likely dig up dozens of these types of murders of whites by blacks daily across the country. Reverse the races and it's headline news, one in which even the president has to intervene.
When are people going to wake up and see the bullshit for what it is?

[tucker6]

I never realized until today that conservatives get up early and liberals sleep in. Interesting...

[FantasticDan]

Obama is a fault, so is the media and academia. :confused: :bang:

[fast4522]

"Spokane police are looking for two male suspects in the attack. They said the suspects are African Americans between 16 and 19 years old."
^^^^^
From link.

Few note when it is Black on White, but when it is White on Black violence everyone in the media ratchets these events way out of proportion. The fact is the numbers suggest that many time greater is the violence by blacks against whites.

My personal feelings are that anyone who goes after the very young OR the older seniors deserves an expanded death penalty by our United States Justice system regardless of race.

[FantasticDan]

How many assaults are there per day of black on white? White on black? Black on black? White on white? Male on male? Male on female? Female on male? All age groups involved?

I just need some help on which assaults to blame on Obama, the media, and academia. It can get confusing and overwhelming. I'd like to assume all just to be on the safe side, but I guess that wouldn't be completely fair. Maybe just the deadly assaults then? Someone help me out.. :confused:

[Robert Goren]

I don't the OK killing of Australian Baseball player was racist. This kids decided to kill someone and the first person came along was white. If Black man had come along first, it would had been him. In a lot ways that is more troublesome than if it was racist. I don't know about the WA killing, it is a little early to tell. There are racist killings of Whites by Blacks but not all Black on White murder is racist anymore than all White on Black murders are racist. There are some that are of both. I will say this there seems to be growth of people with no respect for the lives of others across the board regardless of race. It has been going on for quite sometime, it dates back to at least 1970s and grows every year regardless who is president or what kind of shape the country is in financially. It does seem to be feeding on itself. We can debate whether such and such a case is racist, but there are whole bunch of murders out there that everybody will agree have nothing to with race and they are growing and nobody is talking about the causes of them. They are being written off a domestic dispute or the act of an insane person. The fact that they are increasing seems to be ignored.

[Mike at A+]

How many assaults are there per day of black on white? White on black? Black on black? White on white? Male on male? Male on female? Female on male? All age groups involved?

I just need some help on which assaults to blame on Obama, the media, and academia. It can get confusing and overwhelming. I'd like to assume all just to be on the safe side, but I guess that wouldn't be completely fair. Maybe just the deadly assaults then? Someone help me out.. :confused:
How about we just look at the assaults where the perp(s) have an unfair advantage (through sheer numbers or a sneak attack or a victim incapable of defending himself) and the assault is unprovoked? That would be a better thing to study in my opinion. But you may not like the results of such a study because it may lead to a non-PC correlation.

[Tom]

How many assaults are there per day of black on white? White on black? Black on black? White on white? Male on male? Male on female? Female on male? All age groups involved?

That is the point - Obama should keep his big mouth shut, but instead, he cherry picks from a racist bias on which ones he comments on, inappropriately.

We keep hearing about how we need to have a national discussion on race, but all we get is further divisive comments from the bully pulpit. The national discussion he want to have is just like his legislative discussion - 100% his way and nothing else.

The country deserves better.

[Tom]

I don't the OK killing of Australian Baseball player was racist.

Absolutely wrong. Tweets before the act clearly show a racist was planning on attacking some honkey.

[Robert Goren]

How about we just look at the assaults where the perp(s) have an unfair advantage (through sheer numbers or a sneak attack or a victim incapable of defending himself) and the assault is unprovoked? That would be a better thing to study in my opinion. But you may not like the results of such a study because it may lead to a non-PC correlation. We agree. The only problem is finding people to do the study who don't have an agenda. It seems everybody these days has an agenda of some sort.

[JustRalph]

How many assaults are there per day of black on white? White on black? Black on black? White on white? Male on male? Male on female? Female on male? All age groups involved?

I just need some help on which assaults to blame on Obama, the media, and academia. It can get confusing and overwhelming. I'd like to assume all just to be on the safe side, but I guess that wouldn't be completely fair. Maybe just the deadly assaults then? Someone help me out.. :confused:

You really don't want to get into those numbers. You like to dance through threads making smart ass remarks..........but if you look at the numbers......this is a bad subject for minorities. And I feel sorry for those who are minorities and get smeared with this shit.

I am waiting for the T shirts to come out with a picture of "Shorty" and the caption, "I am Shorty"

[Robert Goren]

Absolutely wrong. Tweets before the act clearly show a racist was planning on attacking some honkey. You could be right, but I haven't seen those tweets. I will take your word and call the OK killing a racist one. But that still leaves us a lot of killings that have nothing to do with race. Far more than the racist killings of by both whites and blacks. And doesn't address the problem of why those kids thought it was ok to kill anybody even if he was white. People hate each other for a lot reasons including race all the time but don't go around killing the people they hate. What turns the killers into killers? That is the real question.

[JustRalph]

Tweet

[jballscalls]

I lived in Spokane for a year, if they are two black suspects it isn't going to take very long to find them there. I think the city is 91% white and 1.5% black.

[Mike at A+]

We agree. The only problem is finding people to do the study who don't have an agenda. It seems everybody these days has an agenda of some sort.
OK that's fair. I'll start by giving a few examples.
These recent cases qualify:
1.) The Australian jogger (sneak attack and numbers)
2.) The 88 year old WWII vet (numbers and inability to defend himself)

You'll find some more material at http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/16/Twenty-One-Acts-of-Post-Zimmerman%20Verdict-Violence-and-counting

I don't have the time to study them all but the links on the page give a pretty good summary of the acts themselves.

[Robert Goren]

You really don't want to get into those numbers. You like to dance through threads making smart ass remarks..........but if you look at the numbers......this is a bad subject for minorities. And I feel sorry for those who are minorities and get smeared with this shit.

I am waiting for the T shirts to come out with a picture of "Shorty" and the caption, "I am Shorty"Why don't you do it? I am sure there is market for it.

[JustRalph]

Going around twitter

[JustRalph]

http://wp.me/p3gWLF-5O7

Will the media ignore?

[Robert Goren]

OK that's fair. I'll start by giving a few examples.
These recent cases qualify:
1.) The Australian jogger (sneak attack and numbers)
2.) The 88 year old WWII vet (numbers and inability to defend himself)

You'll find some more material at http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/16/Twenty-One-Acts-of-Post-Zimmerman%20Verdict-Violence-and-counting

I don't have the time to study them all but the links on the page give a pretty good summary of the acts themselves.Hardly an unbias source. It leaves out most of the murders since the Zimmerman trial. I thought you were serious about want to looking into what causes a person to murder another. It is clear now all you want to do is promote your agenda.

[jballscalls]

http://wp.me/p3gWLF-5O7

Will the media ignore?

it's the lead story on Fox website and was at the top of the MSNBC page.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/23/20145461-wwii-vet-88-brutally-beaten-to-death-in-spokane-wash?lite&lite=obinsite

[johnhannibalsmith]

Hardly an unbias source. It leaves out most of the murders since the Zimmerman trial. I thought you were serious about want to looking into what causes a person to murder another. It is clear now all you want to do is promote your agenda.

Robert, I love ya babe (in the words of da skate).

But, why oh why, do you suddenly feel the need to find some sociological underlying causation in this case, but in every GZ thread you posted the exact same thing for a year? There (GZ) you had some pretty cut and dried evidence that suggested exactly the what, how, and whys of that one (little if any of which suggested race) and you INSISTED that the only reason it happened was because of the race of the victim. Now, here we are trying to figure out what external factors (dismissing purely racial hatred) we can blame to explain away this murder....

I think it's a worthwhile question, obviously. But your reactions to this one compared to that one, in which at least the callousness and possible racial motive was hardly overt (to just about everyone but you and Revrum Al, admittedly), is a little strange.

[jballscalls]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/us/world-war-vet-beating-death/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Lead story on CNN.com as well.

What a tragedy. RIP Mr. Belton

[JustRalph]

CNN says one arrest made

[jballscalls]

Also, didn't seem like these guys needed guns to kill this man. That kind of hurts the whole gun law narrative for the lefties. oops

[Mike at A+]

Hardly an unbias source. It leaves out most of the murders since the Zimmerman trial. I thought you were serious about want to looking into what causes a person to murder another. It is clear now all you want to do is promote your agenda.
Well in that case it's your turn. Provide some documentation or links from whatever source you choose. I simply Googled "post Zimmerman violence". Since the verdict was not too long ago I knew I would get some recent examples. Maybe you should try "post OJ violence" to get some examples of white on black violence, white rioting and white looting. I'll wait ...

[Robert Goren]

Well in that case it's your turn. Provide some documentation or links from whatever source you choose. I simply Googled "post Zimmerman violence". Since the verdict was not too long ago I knew I would get some recent examples. Maybe you should try "post OJ violence" to get some examples of white on black violence, white rioting and white looting. I'll wait ... I am saying that most violence is not racial in any way. I am going to get drawn into a tit for tat on racial violence because that is such a small part of every day violence, although it leads the way in headlines.

[Robert Goren]

Also, didn't seem like these guys needed guns to kill this man. That kind of hurts the whole gun law narrative for the lefties. oopsTrue enough but there plenty of cases where guns was needed to kill people like the too many school killings of the last few years or the Gabby Giffords shootings.

[Tom]

Yes, two classic cases of no one in the are armed except for the shooter.
The results were certain.

[Robert Goren]

Yes, two classic cases of no one in the are armed except for the shooter.
The results were certain.Not true in the Giffords shooting.

[woodtoo]

Not true in the Giffords shooting.

WHAT?

[Marshall Bennett]

Maybe you should try "post OJ violence" to get some examples of white on black violence, white rioting and white looting. I'll wait ...
No need to wait, he won't find any. We're suppose to know better. We're not suppose to find or fabricate excuses for such primitive behavior. We'd be deemed socially unacceptable and mentally deranged. In a nutshell, we'd be removed from society in some form or another. It wouldn't be tolerated.

[so.cal.fan]

Political correctness and "social justice" better known as Marxism? :eek:

[jballscalls]

Political correctness and "social justice" better known as Marxism? :eek:

when it's absurd yes, when it's authentic, no.

what are some examples of PC and SJ you are sick of?

[dartman51]

when it's absurd yes, when it's authentic, no.

what are some examples of PC and SJ you are sick of?

I don't know about S.C.F., but here are a few recent ones.


#1 The Missouri State Fair has permanently banned a rodeo clown from performing just because he wore an Obama mask, and now all of the other rodeo clowns are being required to take sensitivity training
But the state commission went further, saying it will require that before the Rodeo Cowboy Association can take part in any future state fair, they must provide evidence to the director of the Missouri State Fair that they have proof that all officials and subcontractors of the MRCA have successfully participated in sensitivity training.

#2 Government workers in Seattle have been told that they should no longer use the words citizen and brown bag because they are potentially offensive.

#3 A Florida police officer recently lost his job for calling Trayvon Martin a thug on Facebook.

#4 Climate change deniers are definitely not wanted at the U.S. Department of the Interior. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell was recently quoted as making the following statement: I hope there are no climate-change deniers in the Department of Interior.

#5 A professor at Ball State University was recently banned from even mentioning the concept of intelligent design because it would supposedly violate the academic integrity of the course that he was teaching.

#6 The mayor of Washington D.C. recently asked singer Donnie McClurkin not to attend his own concert because of his views on homosexuality.

#7 U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer is calling on athletes marching in the opening ceremonies at the Winter Olympics in Sochi next year to embarrass Russian President Vladimir Putin by protesting for gay rights.

#8 Chaplains in the U.S. military are being forced to perform gay marriages, even if it goes against their personal religious beliefs. The few chaplains that have refused to follow orders know that it means the end of their careers.

#9 The governor of California has signed a bill into law which will allow transgendered students to use whatever bathrooms and gym facilities that they would like.
Transgendered students in California will now have the right to use whichever bathrooms they prefer and join either the boys’ or girls’ sports teams, thanks to landmark legislation signed by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday.
The law amends the state’s education code, and stipulates that each student will have access to facilities, sports teams, and programs that are consistent with his or her gender identity, rather than the student’s actual biological composition. A male student who self-identifies as female could therefore use the girls’ bathroom, even if he is anatomically male.

#10 In San Francisco, authorities have installed small plastic privacy screens on library computers so that perverts can continue to exercise their right to watch pornography at the library without children being directly exposed to it.

#11 In America today, there are many groups that are absolutely obsessed with eradicating every mention of God out of the public sphere. For example, an elementary school in North Carolina ordered a little six-year-old girl to remove the word God from a poem that she wrote to honor her two grandfathers that had served in the Vietnam War.

#12 A high school track team was disqualified earlier this year because one of the runners made a gesture thanking God once he had crossed the finish line.
#13 Earlier this year, a Florida Atlantic University student that refused to stomp on the name of Jesus was banned from class.

#14 A student at Sonoma State University was ordered to take off a cross that she was wearing because someone could be offended.

#15 A teacher in New Jersey was fired for giving his own Bible to a student that did not own one.

#16 Volunteer chaplains for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department have been banned from using the name of Jesus on government property.

#17 According to a new Army manual, U.S. soldiers will now be instructed to avoid any criticism of pedophilia and to avoid criticizing anything related to Islam. The following is from a Judicial Watch article.
The draft leaked to the newspaper offers a list of taboo conversation topics that soldiers should avoid, including “making derogatory comments about the Taliban, advocating women’s rights, any criticism of pedophilia, directing any criticism towards Afghans, mentioning homosexuality and homosexual conduct or anything related to Islam.

#18 The Obama administration has banned all U.S. government agencies from producing any training materials that link Islam with terrorism. In fact, the FBI has gone back and purged references to Islam and terrorism from hundreds of old documents.

#19 According to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, it is illegal for employers to discriminate against criminals because it has a disproportionate impact on minorities. :mad:

[redshift1]

PPD

[JustRalph]

DMan great list :ThmbUp:

[so.cal.fan]

Thanks, Dartman...you covered a few recent examples, there is not enough space on the PA board to list even a year's worth. :bang:

[jballscalls]

I don't know about S.C.F., but here are a few recent ones.


#1 The Missouri State Fair has permanently banned a rodeo clown from performing just because he wore an Obama mask, and now all of the other rodeo clowns are being required to take sensitivity training
But the state commission went further, saying it will require that before the Rodeo Cowboy Association can take part in any future state fair, they must provide evidence to the director of the Missouri State Fair that they have proof that all officials and subcontractors of the MRCA have successfully participated in sensitivity training. TOTALLY AGREE

#2 Government workers in Seattle have been told that they should no longer use the words citizen and brown bag because they are potentially offensive. (That's fine, easy to change your vocabulary if someone is indeed offended)

#3 A Florida police officer recently lost his job for calling Trayvon Martin a thug on Facebook. (He not only called him a thug, he said he essentially said he was happy the thug was dead. And the police said his comments threaten the respect and trust of the community. I get it.)

#4 Climate change deniers are definitely not wanted at the U.S. Department of the Interior. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell was recently quoted as making the following statement: I hope there are no climate-change deniers in the Department of Interior. (I hope there isn't either)

#5 A professor at Ball State University was recently banned from even mentioning the concept of intelligent design because it would supposedly violate the academic integrity of the course that he was teaching. (That's odd. Because isn't Theology taught at these institutions already?)

#6 The mayor of Washington D.C. recently asked singer Donnie McClurkin not to attend his own concert because of his views on homosexuality. (yeah that's weird too)

#7 U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer is calling on athletes marching in the opening ceremonies at the Winter Olympics in Sochi next year to embarrass Russian President Vladimir Putin by protesting for gay rights. (I hope every gay olympian holds hands with their partners in the opening ceremony.)

#8 Chaplains in the U.S. military are being forced to perform gay marriages, even if it goes against their personal religious beliefs. The few chaplains that have refused to follow orders know that it means the end of their careers. (They probably do lots of things against their religious beliefs, why should this be any different?)

#9 The governor of California has signed a bill into law which will allow transgendered students to use whatever bathrooms and gym facilities that they would like.
Transgendered students in California will now have the right to use whichever bathrooms they prefer and join either the boys’ or girls’ sports teams, thanks to landmark legislation signed by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday.
The law amends the state’s education code, and stipulates that each student will have access to facilities, sports teams, and programs that are consistent with his or her gender identity, rather than the student’s actual biological composition. A male student who self-identifies as female could therefore use the girls’ bathroom, even if he is anatomically male. (That sounds better than a male who identifies female having to share a bathroom with people of a gender she is not identifying with)

#10 In San Francisco, authorities have installed small plastic privacy screens on library computers so that perverts can continue to exercise their right to watch pornography at the library without children being directly exposed to it. (yeah that's stupid, no place for that in public libraries)

#11 In America today, there are many groups that are absolutely obsessed with eradicating every mention of God out of the public sphere. For example, an elementary school in North Carolina ordered a little six-year-old girl to remove the word God from a poem that she wrote to honor her two grandfathers that had served in the Vietnam War. (Yeah that's stupid as well. I don't care for mention of God anywhere in my life, but it certainly doesn't offend me in any way and I encourage those who believe in God to celebrate that belief)

#12 A high school track team was disqualified earlier this year because one of the runners made a gesture thanking God once he had crossed the finish line. (Roger Goodell wouldn't even fine him for that!)

#13 Earlier this year, a Florida Atlantic University student that refused to stomp on the name of Jesus was banned from class. (Another asshole professor)

#14 A student at Sonoma State University was ordered to take off a cross that she was wearing because someone could be offended. (I don't see these religious things as Social Justice or PC, I see it as anti-religious zealotry)

#15 A teacher in New Jersey was fired for giving his own Bible to a student that did not own one. (See answer 14)

#16 Volunteer chaplains for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department have been banned from using the name of Jesus on government property. (See Answer 14)

#17 According to a new Army manual, U.S. soldiers will now be instructed to avoid any criticism of pedophilia and to avoid criticizing anything related to Islam. The following is from a Judicial Watch article.
The draft leaked to the newspaper offers a list of taboo conversation topics that soldiers should avoid, including “making derogatory comments about the Taliban, advocating women’s rights, any criticism of pedophilia, directing any criticism towards Afghans, mentioning homosexuality and homosexual conduct or anything related to Islam. (That's ridiculous, however, there are many here that don't advocate for women's rights and gay rights, if we were going to condemn people for those, let's start here :)

#18 The Obama administration has banned all U.S. government agencies from producing any training materials that link Islam with terrorism. In fact, the FBI has gone back and purged references to Islam and terrorism from hundreds of old documents. (agree, stupid)

#19 According to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, it is illegal for employers to discriminate against criminals because it has a disproportionate impact on minorities. :mad:

Thanks for sharing the list! I agree with you on many of them. Some I don't. But really appreciate you participating in a dialogue!

[FantasticDan]

I don't know about S.C.F., but here are a few recent ones.

#3 A Florida police officer recently lost his job for calling Trayvon Martin a thug on Facebook.
Took one random selection from this list and looked further into it..

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130809/NEWS/130809448/1040?p=1&tc=pg

A bit more than simply calling him "thug".

[Tom]

The white supremists wreaked havoc, urinating over residents' cars and threatening anyone who dared intervene with 'absolute violence'.

The violent thugs, clad in army boots and leather jackets, shouted 'Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil' - a nazi WWII chant meaning 'hail victory'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1061525/Terrified-residents-flee-homes-800-neo-Nazi-thugs-wreak-havoc-family-music-festival.html#ixzz2ctumg4Ec
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White Supremists are thugs.....Black Nazis???
I'm confused, the the Daily Mail racist for calling WHITE people thugs?

[Tom]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/greg-gutfeld-and-bob-beckel-in-screaming-match-over-liberal-hypocrisy-on-guns-evil-nra-thugs/

“Because the NRA,” Beckel interjected. “The thugs don’t let them do it.”

What is going on here?

1. Bob Beckle is a racist?
2. Blacks oppose gun laws?
3. NRA is a Black Organization

[johnhannibalsmith]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/greg-gutfeld-and-bob-beckel-in-screaming-match-over-liberal-hypocrisy-on-guns-evil-nra-thugs/



What is going on here?

1. Bob Beckle is a racist?
...

To his credit, Beckel uses "thugs" constantly regardless of race, including the perps referenced in some of these recent threads.

[so.cal.fan]

I have a very liberal white friend, who is a retired teacher, she always corrects me and others if we use the term, "black" people.....she replies with a "tsk tsk" AFRICAN-AMERICANS.
I have another friend who is a black lady, who really doesn't like the term "AFRICAN AMERICAN" she says, I am an AMERICAN, born in California, USA. I was not born in Africa. She said she would never refer to someone as a Swedish American, or a Canadian American, or an English American.....if they were born here in America.
Silly, just like most politically correct liberal definitions.
I think a lot of black people born and raised in America would just prefer to be called Americans.

[JustRalph]

To his credit, Beckel uses "thugs" constantly regardless of race, including the perps referenced in some of these recent threads.

He's a horse player......... too.

He was on the Dullahan train all last year. Gave him out as his Derby Pick on "The Five"

[jballscalls]

I have a very liberal white friend, who is a retired teacher, she always corrects me and others if we use the term, "black" people.....she replies with a "tsk tsk" AFRICAN-AMERICANS.
I have another friend who is a black lady, who really doesn't like the term "AFRICAN AMERICAN" she says, I am an AMERICAN, born in California, USA. I was not born in Africa. She said she would never refer to someone as a Swedish American, or a Canadian American, or an English American.....if they were born here in America.
Silly, just like most politically correct liberal definitions.
I think a lot of black people born and raised in America would just prefer to be called Americans.

I have had the same experience often, and the black folks I know who use african american use it interchangeably with black. I think either is fine to use with black people, but not around liberal elitist types.

[johnhannibalsmith]

He's a horse player......... too.

He was on the Dullahan train all last year. Gave him out as his Derby Pick on "The Five"

I used to hate the show the Five when it first started, but in the last year, largely (no pun...) because of Bob, I've grown to like it a lot.

You have almost the best of all worlds - one liberal who is vehement in defending his brand of liberalism, but isn't a typical Democrat apologist on all matters - and then four others that share some element of conservatism and give the illusion of "ganging up on Beckel", but in actuality are often at odds with one another. Refreshing to see it in practice the way that it generally is in reality instead of the "talking point" vs. "talking point" debates that usually pass for political discourse.

Unfortunately, five is often one too many.

[Tom]

Actually, I respect Beckle - I don't agree with him a lot, but I do respect him. I think he get a bunch of the important stuff right. He is not a blind leftist follower.

I kind of feel sorry for him - having to sit on that panel of total idiots and big mouthed jerks that is the The 5. They formed The 5 so that the Fox and Friends morning hosts would not be the biggest idiots on TV.

[johnhannibalsmith]

...so that the Fox and Friends morning hosts would not be the biggest idiots on TV.

That is indeed the most unwatchable pile of shit ever. :D

[JustRalph]

That's why I watch Imus

You know, the patch of skin stretched over a bag of bones and wheeled up to a microphone.............

[Tom]

The one host's name is Kilmeade.
I say, don't tempt me!

[Marshall Bennett]

I have had the same experience often, and the black folks I know who use african american use it interchangeably with black. I think either is fine to use with black people, but not around liberal elitist types.
The timeline makes it confusing for many that don't stay in touch. Every 5 to ten years blacks want to be referred to differently. In the 60's it was Negro and/or Colored. Then came Afro-Americans. Later on it was simply Blacks. More recently it again changed to African Americans. If you're white it's probably safest to keep your mouth shut because depending which black person you're talking to or about, chances are they'll be offended.
Whites on the other hand will always be fair game, being referred to as anything other ethnic groups choose to call us. We're accustomed to ignoring it, however, and passing it off as no big deal. It truly isn't.

[Mike at A+]

That's why I watch Imus

You know, the patch of skin stretched over a bag of bones and wheeled up to a microphone.............
Yep, me too. I love that show. Perfect mix of news, sports, finance and comedy. The "Godfather" rocks. Being Italian, I understand a lot of the stuff he says and I find myself laughing out loud when he's on. And Daigen McDowell comes out with some of the craziest shit when you least expect it. Then Stuart Varney comes on and the financial day begins. Some really good trading advice with Chares Payne and probably the most brilliant female financial mind on TV, Elizabeth MacDonald (Emac). But Tracy Byrnes is another story with a voice like nails on a blackboard.

[so.cal.fan]

My favorite TV station is Fox Business. I don't listen to any other news station.

Mike....I like Tracy Byrnes....she is a sincere conservative lady, a single mother supporting her family. She can't help it if she is from New Jersey.
She is also Italian, btw.

Charles Payne is another of my favorites, and of course Lou Dobbs.
E. Mac is a super smart economist. I also enjoy Melissa Francis' (former so.cal.gal) show.

Charles Payne was "attacked" on Comedy Central, because he is a big critic of the country's welfare program. He was raised in Harlem, by a single mom, he got top grades, went to college and is a very highly respected CEO of his successful investment company. Liberals don't like him or his logic.
I sure do!

[Mike at A+]

My favorite TV station is Fox Business. I don't listen to any other news station.

Mike....I like Tracy Byrnes....she is a sincere conservative lady, a single mother supporting her family. She can't help it if she is from New Jersey.
She is also Italian, btw.

Charles Payne is another of my favorites, and of course Lou Dobbs.
E. Mac is a super smart economist. I also enjoy Melissa Francis' (former so.cal.gal) show.

Charles Payne was "attacked" on Comedy Central, because he is a big critic of the country's welfare program. He was raised in Harlem, by a single mom, he got top grades, went to college and is a very highly respected CEO of his successful investment company. Liberals don't like him or his logic.
I sure do!
You are preaching to the choir. I know Tracy is Italian. She mentions it every so often. I like her too but that voice is so typical of the Italian "Jersey girl". Most of my family is in Staten Island and many there have that same voice. Charles Payne is certainly a great role model for young black Americans but unfortunately I don't think many of them tune into FBN.

[so.cal.fan]

You're right about that, Mike, sadly, the ones who do watch FBN are already on the same page as you and I.
I know one man at the track who watches it everyday, but he is a very successful business man and a rabid conservative. It's worth going to Santa Anita just to hear him tell off liberals, black, white or whatever. He is a very funny guy....they don't get mad, but they have a very difficult time arguing with this man.
In 2008 winter at SA right after Obama was elected, he was very worried and depressed.
When I saw him again after the winter meet at the fall meet of 2008....his first comment to me was "Diane! He's ever much worse than we thought"!
:lol: It's not really funny, of course, but it was just the way he said it.

[Mike at A+]

You're right about that, Mike, sadly, the ones who do watch FBN are already on the same page as you and I.
I know one man at the track who watches it everyday, but he is a very successful business man and a rabid conservative. It's worth going to Santa Anita just to hear him tell off liberals, black, white or whatever. He is a very funny guy....they don't get mad, but they have a very difficult time arguing with this man.
In 2008 winter at SA right after Obama was elected, he was very worried and depressed.
When I saw him again after the winter meet at the fall meet of 2008....his first comment to me was "Diane! He's ever much worse than we thought"!
:lol: It's not really funny, of course, but it was just the way he said it.
I have an even funnier one. My dad died the night 0bama won in 2008. At his wake, my mom said "Boy it's a good thing he didn't live to see THAT". The entire room cracked up.

[SteveeBee]

Brunswick, Atlanta

Two teenagers shot 1 year old baby in his stroller.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/21765339/police-search-for-boys-after-baby-shot-in-stroller

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't the OK killing of Australian Baseball player was racist. This kids decided to kill someone and the first person came along was white. If Black man had come along first, it would had been him.Stop being silly. There is equal chance they were yelling "This is for TRAYVON!" as there is for your scenario.

Bottom line is you and the rest of us are clueless as to the real motivations behind this, and there is no way you would be typing similar if this had been a white on black killing.

[so.cal.fan]

Thank you PA.
Robert Goren? I would love you to return to Santa Anita. Please come back and bet in the same mutual pools I do. I need your money.

[Tom]

Thank you PA.
Robert Goren? I would love you to return to Santa Anita. Please come back and bet in the same mutual pools I do. I need your money.

:lol: :lol: You go, girl~!