Republicans killed Mitt's chances

[Capper Al]

The Corporate Royalists (a.k.a Republican party) killed Mitt's chances of winning the last election by forcing him to go against ObamaCare. Mitt did an excellent job providing healthcare for Massachusetts. His lead focussed on using the private sector instead of the state to be the provider. The point to the healthcare issue isn't nationalizing healthcare verse the free market, it is making sure that every American is covered. The general rule holds true that having the private sector do the job is preferred to having the government do it. And Mitt paved the way for utilizing the private sector to this end. By having Mitt denounce ObamaCare instead of having him proudly take his due credit for leading the way, they made him look like a weeny instead of a leader. The voting public saw him for who he was- not a leader.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Another anti-GOP thread. I can't take it anymore. "The reality is that these threads are in our face when we search for new postings if we want to see them or not. I consider this nuance the price to pay for what otherwise is a good racing forum."

[Robert Goren]

Another anti-GOP thread. I can't take it anymore. "The reality is that these threads are in our face when we search for new postings if we want to see them or not. I consider this nuance the price to pay for what otherwise is a good racing forum."Do you feel the same way about the couple of anti Obama, anti liberal threads that pop on a daily basis.

[Greyfox]

The voting public saw him for who he was- not a leader.

You raise some good points Capper Al, eventhough I think the Obamacare issue was just a brick in a pile of things against Mitt.

Unfortunately, they elected a man who has taken the American National Debt from $9 trillion to $17 trillion in record time and he's not done yet.
Some leadership legacy, that future generations will have to cough up and pay.

In a Democracy, voters get the Government they deserve.
Churchill had it right when he said:
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

[Saratoga_Mike]

Do you feel the same way about the couple of anti Obama, anti liberal threads that pop on a daily basis.

Read what quoted - it's what Capper Al wrote a few weeks ago.

[badcompany]

Liberals whine even when they win. :(

[Capper Al]

You raise some good points Capper Al, eventhough I think the Obamacare issue was just a brick in a pile of things against Mitt.

Unfortunately, they elected a man who has taken the American National Debt from $9 trillion to $17 trillion in record time and he's not done yet.
Some leadership legacy, that future generations will have to cough up and pay.

In a Democracy, voters get the Government they deserve.
Churchill had it right when he said:
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

This really isn't fair for Obama. It took us financing wwii to get out of the depression. It's going to cost us to get out of the great recession also. The problem is we should be spending a bigger share of the money to rebuild the instructure, not for bank's profit.

[Capper Al]

Another anti-GOP thread. I can't take it anymore. "The reality is that these threads are in our face when we search for new postings if we want to see them or not. I consider this nuance the price to pay for what otherwise is a good racing forum."

You got, baby.

[Capper Al]

Liberals whine even when they win. :(

Corporate Royalists thwart the public will and are not cooperative even after they lost the election. :bang:

[rastajenk]

There is no virtue in capitulation.

[Saratoga_Mike]

You got, baby.

You now realize the silliness/irony/hypocrisy of your statement, I hope.

[Mike at A+]

What killed Mitt's chances is simply defined. In a nutshell, it was a combination of stupid guilt ridden white upper middle class ideologues, a lower class that chose the crumbs thrown to them by government over employment opportunity, a media that ran interference for 0bama and a hateful disdain for the lower-to-middle middle class demographic who dared to achieve some degree of success through hard work and steady advancement. The middle class has become 0bama's "cash cow", funding the dregs below them while the rich above them are routinely slammed verbally but never touched financially.

Unemployment would be half what it is now had Romney been elected. The U6 rate would be dramatically lower as well with people re-entering the workforce instead of giving up.

[badcompany]

Corporate Royalists thwart the public will and are not cooperative even after they lost the election. :bang:

Corporate Royalists?

Which Loony Lefty site did you get that from?

I'll bet a lot of the posts start with, "Marx said that..."

[Capper Al]

You now realize the silliness/irony/hypocrisy of your statement, I hope.

You got it, baby. No silliness here.

[Capper Al]

Unemployment would be half what it is now had Romney been elected. The U6 rate would be dramatically lower as well with people re-entering the workforce instead of giving up.

And the corporations would bring back the unskilled jobs from China and India? You're just not following the argument here.

[lamboguy]

in politics they speak from both sides of their mouths. i hate to say this, but the real conservative republicans wanted the heathcare so bad they didn't care who got in just to ram this down everyone's throat even though they say they don't want it.

the banks and insurance company's are making more money now than they ever did with any conservative republican president. the republican's may make a lot of noise, but deep down inside Obama is their man.

[Capper Al]

Corporate Royalists?

Which Loony Lefty site did you get that from?

I'll bet a lot of the posts start with, "Marx said that..."

The corporations tells you guys how to think, and you guys believe them.

[johnhannibalsmith]

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[Capper Al]

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This logo should be tattooed on their elephant.

[Mike at A+]

And the corporations would bring back the unskilled jobs from China and India? You're just not following the argument here.
My grandfather had an old saying: "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar". Romney would have brought many of those jobs back here. Under 0bama, employers are afraid to employ. All the "created" jobs 0bama brags about are McJobs.

[JustRalph]

As predicted, I've awakened a sleeping giant........ :lol:

[burnsy]

in politics they speak from both sides of their mouths. i hate to say this, but the real conservative republicans wanted the heathcare so bad they didn't care who got in just to ram this down everyone's throat even though they say they don't want it.

the banks and insurance company's are making more money now than they ever did with any conservative republican president. the republican's may make a lot of noise, but deep down inside Obama is their man.


Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner!......Obama does nothing different than Bush...one rammed the Medicare drug scam (Bush) and Obama gave them "Health insurance"....:lol: ,,The Republican vs. Democrat (farce) is mostly a ploy...they have thier "fringe" issues but in most cases its all the same, people are either blind, lazy or dumb not to realize this. The minute Romney ran against it....he was a LOSER......How can you pass something as the greatest thing Mass. ever did then turn against it????? They were dumb for even running him...if that was their case (repealing it). The fact is, they didn't care. Its a boondoggle for business.

Plus the fact they have to do something or we will go belly up on this health care deal. The prices and cost have been going up faster than inflation long before Obama got in.........every other country spends half what we spend per person...the facts...not that this new plan will reduce that much...if at all.

But this phony baloney argument that they are forcing you to buy health insurance is bogus...its something you should buy whether the government makes you or not.....Heres an idea...no health insurance, no ER....you go to the back of the line or bleed out in the streets. Then lets see what morons don't have it! Healthy people should use their brains, you can get sick or hurt in the blink of an eye...i know, it happened to me. If you don't have health insurance you are a first class moron, don't come to get treated., go die in the street. The whole..."the goverment is forcing me to buy health insurance" argument, is the dumbest thing i ever heard....good , don't buy it...when something happens....die at home.....:bang: Don't come crying for help because a broken leg cost about 20 grand to treat........if you don't have 20 grand in your pocket...sit home and suffer.

[Mike at A+]

The people who game the system don't "bleed out on the streets". They show up at the ER for a cough knowing they won't be turned away and stiff the hospital for the bill. They wouldn't know a premium payment if it bit them on the ass.

[thaskalos]

Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner!......Obama does nothing different than Bush...one rammed the Medicare drug scam (Bush) and Obama gave them "Health insurance"....:lol: ,,The Republican vs. Democrat (farce) is mostly a ploy...they have thier "fringe" issues but in most cases its all the same, people are either blind, lazy or dumb not to realize this. The minute Romney ran against it....he was a LOSER......How can you pass something as the greatest thing Mass. ever did then turn against it????? They were dumb for even running him...if that was their case (repealing it). The fact is, they didn't care. Its a boondoggle for business.

Plus the fact they have to do something or we will go belly up on this health care deal. The prices and cost have been going up faster than inflation long before Obama got in.........every other country spends half what we spend per person...the facts...not that this new plan will reduce that much...if at all.

But this phony baloney argument that they are forcing you to buy health insurance is bogus...its something you should buy whether the government makes you or not.....Heres an idea...no health insurance, no ER....you go to the back of the line or bleed out in the streets. Then lets see what morons don't have it! Healthy people should use their brains, you can get sick or hurt in the blink of an eye...i know, it happened to me. If you don't have health insurance you are a first class moron, don't come to get treated., go die in the street. The whole..."the goverment is forcing me to buy health insurance" argument, is the dumbest thing i ever heard....good , don't buy it...when something happens....die at home.....:bang: Don't come crying for help because a broken leg cost about 20 grand to treat........if you don't have 20 grand in your pocket...sit home and suffer.

Elect this man for president! :ThmbUp:

[Saratoga_Mike]

The corporations tells you guys how to think, and you guys believe them.

We'd all like to be well informed, independent thinkers like you. Any advice?

[Greyfox]

This really isn't fair for Obama. It took us financing wwii to get out of the depression. It's going to cost us to get out of the great recession also. The problem is we should be spending a bigger share of the money to rebuild the instructure, not for bank's profit.

I had stated that Obama increased the National Debt from $9 trillion to $17 trillion in record time.

Capper Al thinks that isn't fair to Obama. :rolleyes:
He says it took financing WWII to get out of the depression.
What was America supposed to do? Roll over and play dead when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour?? Of course America had to get into WWII.

Whether or not Capper Al thinks that is or isn't fair to Obama is irrelevant.
It is a fact that the U.S. now owes $17 trillion and that elephant in the kitchen will have to be addressed some day. When Obama took the reins it was a whopping $9 trillion and he had no problem nearling doubling that in just 5 years or so. That is a disastrous path to continue on.
Detroit today could be America tomorrow if some serious rethinking of financial commitments isn't made.

[Capper Al]

My grandfather had an old saying: "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar". Romney would have brought many of those jobs back here. Under 0bama, employers are afraid to employ. All the "created" jobs 0bama brags about are McJobs.

Wake up. You're dreaming. Those jobs are staying there no matter who was elected. McJobs appeared under Reagan. Two Bushs later, they are still here. What you only see McJobs if a democratic is in office?

[Capper Al]

I had stated that Obama increased the National Debt from $9 trillion to $17 trillion in record time.

Capper Al thinks that isn't fair to Obama. :rolleyes:
He says it took financing WWII to get out of the depression.
What was America supposed to do? Roll over and play dead when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour?? Of course America had to get into WWII.

Whether or not Capper Al thinks that is or isn't fair to Obama is irrelevant.
It is a fact that the U.S. now owes $17 trillion and that elephant in the kitchen will have to be addressed some day. When Obama took the reins it was a whopping $9 trillion and he had no problem nearling doubling that in just 5 years or so. That is a disastrous path to continue on.
Detroit today could be America tomorrow if some serious rethinking of financial commitments isn't made.

You are looking out your window and seeing that world appears flat. I doubt that you understand any economics to argue one way or the other.

[Greyfox]

You are looking out your window and seeing that world appears flat. I doubt that you understand any economics to argue one way or the other.

You're absolutely correct.
1. The Earth is Flat - you obviously haven't read Thomas Friedman's book on how the playing field has been leveled for North America versus emerging nations.

2. You were right again. I don't understand economics well, and I doubt that you do either. Obviously Obama doesn't either.
On a microlevel, if I don't pay my bills, sooner or later the Piper will catch up with me.
On a macrolevel, the same concept applies, sooner or later.

[Mike at A+]

Wake up. You're dreaming. Those jobs are staying there no matter who was elected. McJobs appeared under Reagan. Two Bushs later, they are still here. What you only see McJobs if a democratic is in office?
Reagan and two Bushes didn't badmouth employers like 0bama has done. Reagan and two Bushes didn't make employers feel uncomfortable about expanding their businesses. Reagan and two Bushes didn't call successful businesses "fat cats". Reagan and two Bushes didn't pander to minority groups saying "punish your enemies" and vote out of spite. The bottom line is that Democrats pander to the stupid untalented people by offering them free stuff they don't deserve at the expense of people who have earned their keep and took their education seriously instead of making trouble in school by engaging in gang culture, weapons, drugs and intimidating children who dare to better themselves and make something of their lives. We need to take ALL able bodied people off welfare and make them work and pay taxes. These are the people who should be working at the McJobs. If you didn't take the first part of your life seriously, the second part is going to be more difficult. You don't reward bad behavior. THAT is the difference between the two parties. The rewards should go to the people and the entities that create the jobs. Hell, I'd love to get for free what these people are getting. I'd love free health insurance instead of shelling out a grand every month and having to dip into my savings and investments when things get tight. But I HAVE those savings and investments BECAUSE I took the first part of my life seriously. I DID WITHOUT. I paid my bills first before I paid myself. Screw this socialist piece of crap!

[Valuist]

This logo should be tattooed on their elephant.

Big corporations like Obama. They have the legal teams and lobbying interests to fight heavy regulations. The smaller businesses can't, and they, not the Fortune 500 companies, are hurt worst by the current administration. Just kill off the smaller fish. Look at the banks. The big ones will never be allowed to fail.

[Tom]

We'd all like to be well informed, independent thinkers like you. Any advice?


Narcotics?
Barbiturates?
Massive quantities of alcohol?
Hallucinogens?

[JustRalph]

It's nice to say things like "bleed in the street" or "die in the street"

The problem is Federal law says that hospitals cannot refuse to treat people. Under any circumstances. I worked in an ER near Baltimore. I watched the local heroin addicts line up and demand treatment when they couldn't afford to get a "fix" they knew what words to say to get 48 hrs in a bed with meds to ease the suffering. Not to mention a shower, free meals etc

I watched the local homeless crowd come in every time the weather got too cold. These were professional homeless types. They were a community that refused any assistance until the weather changed. If snow was coming they all hit the ER and got their free two days also.

I watched illegals pull up at 2 a.m. And drop a 19 yr old girl in full labor off and leave. I personally wheeled them into maternity minutes from giving birth. No pre natal care. No ID and spouting the latest fake name. They would spend 2-3 days, have the baby and on discharge a truck would pick them up on the way home from the days work. Never did they force them to ID themselves etc. I saw this about 2-3 times a month.

You cannot refuse to treat people. It's the law and they know it. The hospitals get stuck on all these bills and there is nothing Obamacare is going to do about it. You cannot force people who are scamming the system to give a shit. Nothing is going to change and all Obamacare is going to do is invite more people into the scam.

This is why our healthcare is so screwed up. We hold no one accountable. We also do anything we can to let them vote for the latest Democrat. Including pick them up and give them a ride to the polls. And shortly we are going to give them more freedom to walk all over those who act right. It's amazing how stupid this country is

[PaceAdvantage]

This is why our healthcare is so screwed up. We hold no one accountable. We also do anything we can to let them vote for the latest Democrat. Including pick them up and give them a ride to the polls. And shortly we are going to give them more freedom to walk all over those who act right. It's amazing how stupid this country isAmen brother J.

I don't know how Capper Al can refute what you just wrote, but I bet he and mostpost will try admirably.... :lol: :(

[badcompany]

And the corporations would bring back the unskilled jobs from China and India? You're just not following the argument here.

I know Liberals aren't big on reality, but here's some, anyway.

When China and India capitulated to Capitalism, a flood of cheap labor was unleashed on the market. As a result, a lot of first world labor was exposed as being overpriced.

Now, if American multinationals didn't take advantage of this cheap labor, what would stop China and India from doing so, and undercutting American companies? Sure, you could use Protectionism, but that has as its downside the lowering of real wages of American workers via higher prices for goods, and it hurts the American export sector when other countries retaliate.