Parx has sank to a all time low

[camourous]

Was over at Parx today which used to be Philadelphia Park back when it was a racetrack and not just a oval next to a casino, and i bet the late double and late pick 3's, 1st pick 3 started in race 6, bet the double in race 7 and another pick 3 starting in race 7.. Races 7-8-9 were all turf races, now mind you it is a beautiful day here, sunny, not too hot and a nice breeze. I hit the 4 in race 6 to start the pick 3, race 7 the 3 nips the 7 by a nose and gives me 2 in the 1st pick 3, starts me off in the late double and starts off the late pick 3.. So i go into Race 8 needing the 5 horse, who is 2-5 with 8 minutes to post, i walk out of the paddock and here the announcer say they are pushing post time back 4 minutes, nothing else. I go sit down and look at the infield tv screen and it now says races 8-9 are off the turf... Now there is no announcement that they are off the turf, just says it on the screen.. So the horse who is 2-5 on turf, on paper has no shot on the dirt, horse still goes off 4-5, my guess is no one who is betting has any clue it is off the turf. So of course he finishes 4th outta 6, and the 3 dirt horses go 1-2-3. Of course there is no recourse for anyone who played pick 3's or doubles.. I find out later that they took it off the turf because the turf course was in bad shape they say, not because of rain or anything, just is bad shape, yet they ran on it Saturday and ran a race on it Sunday where the 2 favorites ran 1-2...

[Stillriledup]

I made my biggest bet i've made in a long time against that 5 horse when i saw he was 1-1 or thereabouts. I needed either the 1 or the 2 to win the race, but i still made out ok on the exa and tri.

You have a legit beef, they could have called an 'all' for the horizontal bets, no excuse for them to not pay off in that fashion, i feel your pain.

[camourous]

Equibase says the jockeys refused to ride on the turf course following the 7th race, but only 2 of the riders who rode in the 8th race were in the 7th, Stew Elliot and Maria Remedio.. So i guess Stewart Elliot said i don't want to ride and since they treat him like a saint, which he isn't they took the races off the turf, screwing over the betting public..

[Stillriledup]

Equibase says the jockeys refused to ride on the turf course following the 7th race, but only 2 of the riders who rode in the 8th race were in the 7th, Stew Elliot and Maria Remedio.. So i guess Stewart Elliot said i don't want to ride and since they treat him like a saint, which he isn't they took the races off the turf, screwing over the betting public..

They were the 2 jocks that ran 1-2...on horses who were much better on dirt than on turf.

[marcusaurelius]

Indicators point to the latter suspect

[Nacumi]

Nobody really bets Parx. If it were in NY , there would have been a riot.

[iceknight]

Was over at Parx today ... please learn to use paragraph breaks if you are writing long paragraphs, thanks.
I want to visit parx.. for the check off list value, but not for any regular purpose. They have groupons going out to draw people in now!

[Some_One]

then don't bet the track anymore. Problem solved.

[JustRalph]

then don't bet the track anymore. Problem solved.

Really? You don't think this screwed over players?

This is a problem. If it happen the way he says it happen, it's a wholesale screw job. It also takes some serious cajones to not come up with some kind of consolation.

[Robert Goren]

Really? You don't think this screwed over players?

This is a problem. If it happen the way he says it happen, it's a wholesale screw job. It also takes some serious cajones to not come up with some kind of consolation. Of course they did. They do it all the time which why you shouldn't be betting that place. Live and learn. Of course you already knew that, didn't you Ralph? So should camourous! Neither you are virgins.

[Shemp Howard]

Let's see if Dick Jerardi, racing beat writer for the Philadelphia Daily News and the Mid-Atlantic beat writer fro the DRF picks up on this insult to the betting public.


Don't hold your breath. He's on the payroll at PArx and writes what they tell him to.

[wiffleball whizz]

please learn to use paragraph breaks if you are writing long paragraphs, thanks.
I want to visit parx.. for the check off list value, but not for any regular purpose. They have groupons going out to draw people in now!

Icenight your not really missing anything by not seeing parx......outside the track is nasty bright orange reddish paint.....a high rail nasty tote board....

And then if you go inside the poker room is no bargain either.....a renovated part of the grandstand I once used to get buried in......there's a long escalator up remember I hit a $442 exacta a turf paradise only to hand it over to my friend down the escalator.....not fun!!!

Parx= not fun

[Some_One]

Really? You don't think this screwed over players?

This is a problem. If it happen the way he says it happen, it's a wholesale screw job. It also takes some serious cajones to not come up with some kind of consolation.

Of course it's a bad policy, but you accept these terms when you wager with the track.

[PaceAdvantage]

Let's see if Dick Jerardi, racing beat writer for the Philadelphia Daily News and the Mid-Atlantic beat writer fro the DRF picks up on this insult to the betting public.


Don't hold your breath. He's on the payroll at PArx and writes what they tell him to.Yeah, I'm sure he has a meeting every morning with racetrack management and they dictate what they want him to write...

Seriously?

[Stillriledup]

Yeah, I'm sure he has a meeting every morning with racetrack management and they dictate what they want him to write...

Seriously?

Some writers could theoretically "tow" the company line...after all, some of those tracks have really fancy spreads in the pressbox area, you dont want to 'rock the boat' if you're getting free bagels and coffee.
:D

[racingfan378]

I can't see Dick writing one negative thing about Parx despite the many flaws that operation has in Bensalem

[PaceAdvantage]

Does he write a lot of positive pieces about Parx?

In fact, how many articles are written about Parx period? It's a small time venue that really doesn't warrant a lot of national coverage...would you not agree?

[wiffleball whizz]

Does he write a lot of positive pieces about Parx?

In fact, how many articles are written about Parx period? It's a small time venue that really doesn't warrant a lot of national coverage...would you not agree?

Parx is so irrelevant it's scary.....absolutely dominates Pennsylvania casino
Revenue but the track itself it's as irrelevant as it gets


In my years of being around horse racing the only time you ever heard about parx/Philadelphia park was when smarty jones was going for the triple crown

[Rise Over Run]

There's no other plausible explanation other than Parx wanted to make sure there was a 2-day carryover of the pick 6 into Monday's card. Race 8 was the final leg and it paid off 5 of 6. If there was only one ticket with the heavy favorite Relay Bill, someone was screwed out of a life-changing pick 6 score of $413. But Parx had to pull some shenanigans to make sure the had a carryover heading into Monday. With Saratoga running on Mondays, a 2-day monster carryover of $413 is sure to bring in the wagering action.

[camourous]

I can't see Dick writing one negative thing about Parx despite the many flaws that operation has in Bensalem


He won't he probably thinks it's the best track on the East Coast, the facilities rank a distant last of all the PA tracks.

[sammy the sage]

Arlington does THE same as Parx :rolleyes:

screw the bettor!

Meanwhile the Ny & Fl. tracks give consol.'s on p3 & p4 all's are paid in change of surface legs...

However NY is even worse than that on p6's...they AUTOMATICALLY roll it over and take 75% of money WAGERED that day AS WELL to carry-over

[speed]

There's no other plausible explanation other than Parx wanted to make sure there was a 2-day carryover of the pick 6 into Monday's card. With Saratoga running on Mondays, a 2-day monster carryover of $413 is sure to bring in the wagering action.
Not sure if you're being serious or not but i laughed so hard and sudden, i just about got whiplash. Last week i was telling a guy in the Gold Room at Churchill he could hit the pick 6 at Parx everyday and never retire.

[Longshot6977]

Last week i was telling a guy in the Gold Room at Churchill he could hit the pick 6 at Parx everyday and never retire.

:lol: :lol:

[Valuist]

Do they have a track maintenance crew at Parx? I don't play it, but whenever I see a race from Parx it seems like the winners are way out in the middle of the track. Not only is the rail seemingly always dead, so are the 2 and 3 paths.

[Cannon shell]

Yeah, I'm sure he has a meeting every morning with racetrack management and they dictate what they want him to write...

Seriously?
He gets a paycheck to be on the unwatchable weekly cable show. Anyone working for a newspaper these days is holding on tight to whatever income they have. Shemp is probably a closer to the truth than you'd realize

[Cannon shell]

Do they have a track maintenance crew at Parx? I don't play it, but whenever I see a race from Parx it seems like the winners are way out in the middle of the track. Not only is the rail seemingly always dead, so are the 2 and 3 paths.
They don't care.

[thaskalos]

They don't care.

This seems to be the prevailing theme in the current casino-assisted version of our game...

[BlueShoe]

Parx? Philadelphia Park? Anyone besides me recall when it was Keystone? Long ago, on trips to Caliente and Nevada, used to play it, and seem to remember doing okay, with the quality of racing not too bad for a track below the top tier majors. Today in SoCal a few otb places are open on Monday and Tuesday, and that is the only days that we usually get the Parx signal. Since I do not go on those days, it would seem that am not losing that much by missing Parx.

[reckless]

Let's see if Dick Jerardi, racing beat writer for the Philadelphia Daily News and the Mid-Atlantic beat writer fro the DRF picks up on this insult to the betting public.


Don't hold your breath. He's on the payroll at PArx and writes what they tell him to.

Of course, Dick J. does not have meetings with management who tell him what to write.

But, that doesn't mean he isn't compromised nonetheless.

Dick is a veritable cottage industry all by himself -- and all the while maintaining a union-protected 'day' job at the Phila. Daily News as a 'journalist'.

He has a paid gig on the Comcast Sports Network in Philly; he derives income from the aforementioned unwatchable Parx racing cable show; he's on Andy Beyer's payroll that makes Beyer figures, and he scratches out a column or two for the DRF on a somewhat regular basis-- which he doesn't do for nothing.

In recent years he was a radio color man for the Penn State men's basketball team, a job I believe he still has, but can't say for 100 % certainty since I don't listen at all to Penn State sports.

One would think that with all this income, he's able to afford to buy his own lunch, but noooooo. On most Wednesdays/Thursdays, you can find Dick scarfing lunch with some pals at Parx, playing the simulcasts. Management picks up the food tab, of course, in case you're interested.

I ask you all: is Jerardi a gonev.... I say by all means no, but just don't tell me he's a honest journalist either.

[PaceAdvantage]

Of course, Dick J. does not have meetings with management who tell him what to write.

But, that doesn't mean he isn't compromised nonetheless.

Dick is a veritable cottage industry all by himself -- and all the while maintaining a union-protected 'day' job at the Phila. Daily News as a 'journalist'.

He has a paid gig on the Comcast Sports Network in Philly; he derives income from the aforementioned unwatchable Parx racing cable show; he's on Andy Beyer's payroll that makes Beyer figures, and he scratches out a column or two for the DRF on a somewhat regular basis-- which he doesn't do for nothing.

In recent years he was a radio color man for the Penn State men's basketball team, a job I believe he still has, but can't say for 100 % certainty since I don't listen at all to Penn State sports.

One would think that with all this income, he's able to afford to buy his own lunch, but noooooo. On most Wednesdays/Thursdays, you can find Dick scarfing lunch with some pals at Parx, playing the simulcasts. Management picks up the food tab, of course, in case you're interested.

I ask you all: is Jerardi a gonev.... I say by all means no, but just don't tell me he's a honest journalist either.Free lunches upset you that much, eh?

Jeez...just when you thought the complaining couldn't get any more obscure...

[Shemp Howard]

:lol: :lol:

Tomorrow's Pick Six carryover is $784.00.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[SharpCat]

Tomorrow's Pick Six carryover is $784.00.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Make sure to catch pick 6 central on TVG.

[reckless]

Free lunches upset you that much, eh?

Jeez...just when you thought the complaining couldn't get any more obscure...

Free lunches don't upset me at all. I just prefer to pay my own way, that's all.

What does upset me is there are way too many compromised people out there that claim to be 'journalists'. Some have actually gotten jobs and other moneyed gigs that other qualified people could have managed but didn't get. Plus how could these self-proclaimed 'journalists' be truly objective when they always have their hands in the pockets of people they supposedly are covering and reporting on?

Since DJ is probably on the payroll of numerous enterprises, springing for lunch shouldn't be a hardship under any circumstances. It just seems silly to me that people could be compromised for a cold bowl of salty soup and a ham sandwich.

A poster asked if DJ could objectively write about the off-turf situation at Parx, remember?

A poster wrote --wrongly-- that management tells DJ what to write. I disagreed with that opinion but really, PA, if people think that, you need to ask yourself why is that?

And you think this is nothing more than obscure complaining??

[PaceAdvantage]

Is DJ an investigative journalist? Is that his thing? Or does he write about Beyer speed figures mostly?

I admit, I read him once in a blue moon...but I don't ever recall him as some sort of industry watchdog, nor was he ever suppsed to be. He writes about handicapping in the DRF...what else does he write about? Those more familiar with him, clue me in.

And if you think a free lunch has the potential to compromise someone that much...well...I don't know what to say to that...

Anyhow, much ado about nothing in my opine.

Beyer writes some hard hitting pieces from time to time. You mean to tell me he never gets a free lunch?

[wiffleball whizz]

One thing about parx they always races on days where nobody is watching.....parx used to be the featured track in the new York post and daily news on Monday's and tuesdays一

[Stillriledup]

Is DJ an investigative journalist? Is that his thing? Or does he write about Beyer speed figures mostly?

I admit, I read him once in a blue moon...but I don't ever recall him as some sort of industry watchdog, nor was he ever suppsed to be. He writes about handicapping in the DRF...what else does he write about? Those more familiar with him, clue me in.

And if you think a free lunch has the potential to compromise someone that much...well...I don't know what to say to that...

Anyhow, much ado about nothing in my opine.

Beyer writes some hard hitting pieces from time to time. You mean to tell me he never gets a free lunch?

Ask yourself this. Has he ever written a hard hitting piece about someone who gave him a free lunch. If you can find one of these DRF hacks who wrote anything negative about people who give them free lunch, you might be onto something.

[pandy]

Taking the races off the turf after the Pick 3 bets were in and they way they handled it sucks. But, I still like Parx. I like sustained tracks and Parx, with it's dead rail, is a good track to bet stalkers that can finish at all distances. If you have a profit there, you're not complaining. You can't expect all tracks to be like Saratoga, which, by the way, is tougher to handicap than Parx.

[camourous]

I lost pretty much all respect for Jerardi when he voted for Juan Carlos Guerrero for the eclipse award for Trainer of the Year..

[PaceAdvantage]

I lost pretty much all respect for Jerardi when he voted for Juan Carlos Guerrero for the eclipse award for Trainer of the Year..Juan was probably sneaking him some free lunches back at the barn...

[The Bit]

Do they have a track maintenance crew at Parx? I don't play it, but whenever I see a race from Parx it seems like the winners are way out in the middle of the track. Not only is the rail seemingly always dead, so are the 2 and 3 paths.

The rail has been dead for years, but it isn't as bad the last few years as it was mid to late 2000's. The problem is, the trainers, jocks and owners still think it is the Philly Park of the past every day and everyone races in the 5 path. Don't get me wrong, there are still days when the rail is dead, but it isn't as pronounced as it used to be.

The stewards at Parx are on the clueless side and very inconsistent. A few years ago I questioned a suspicious set of circumstances during the running of a race at Parx and contacted Keith Jones and he referred to those of us who play horses as "you guys" and claimed we always "play the fixed race card" when I said nothing of the sort. I questioned a stewards call and the poor effort given on a horse.

[pandy]

I agree that the jockeys are so used to riding out in the 5 path that even on days when the rail is good most of the riders avoid it.

[The Bit]

I agree that the jockeys are so used to riding out in the 5 path that even on days when the rail is good most of the riders avoid it.

Over the last 35 to 40 days ( not race cards, days ) I'm only showing one distance in which the inside post seemed to be compromised.

I wish it would go back to the old days. I had a field day following the races and trips closely and betting horses back that were forced to do the majority of their running on the inside. Especially if they were forced to race inside a few starts in a row.

[camourous]

Juan was probably sneaking him some free lunches back at the barn...

Think it was a trade JC would give Jerardi a boxed lunch and Jerardi in turn would give him some unicorn blood to use on his horses.

[Stillriledup]

Juan was probably sneaking him some free lunches back at the barn...

Or, he's a house guy and not a true journalist. :rolleyes:

[Nacumi]

Anybody see the 6th there today? A shoving match between 2nd and 3rd place jocks in the stretch, and the DRF chart spells it out as "exchanged elbows after crossing finish line." Replay link anyone?

[Stillriledup]

Anybody see the 6th there today? A shoving match between 2nd and 3rd place jocks in the stretch, and the DRF chart spells it out as "exchanged elbows after crossing finish line." Replay link anyone?

Santos vs Vaz? :D

[Nacumi]

Santos vs Vaz? :D
=) no, Carmouche vs. Castillo. The undercard.

[Rise Over Run]

Anybody see the 6th there today? A shoving match between 2nd and 3rd place jocks in the stretch, and the DRF chart spells it out as "exchanged elbows after crossing finish line." Replay link anyone?
The bigger story is that the Highpoint/Navarro horse went down in flames at 3/5. and there is a 4-day pick 6 carryover heading into Saturday.

[Shemp Howard]

The bigger story is that the Highpoint/Navarro horse went down in flames at 3/5. and there is a 4-day pick 6 carryover heading into Saturday.

4-day carryover and the pool is $2,120. What a joke!!!!

[Shemp Howard]

Of course, Dick J. does not have meetings with management who tell him what to write.

But, that doesn't mean he isn't compromised nonetheless.

Dick is a veritable cottage industry all by himself -- and all the while maintaining a union-protected 'day' job at the Phila. Daily News as a 'journalist'.

He has a paid gig on the Comcast Sports Network in Philly; he derives income from the aforementioned unwatchable Parx racing cable show; he's on Andy Beyer's payroll that makes Beyer figures, and he scratches out a column or two for the DRF on a somewhat regular basis-- which he doesn't do for nothing.

In recent years he was a radio color man for the Penn State men's basketball team, a job I believe he still has, but can't say for 100 % certainty since I don't listen at all to Penn State sports.

One would think that with all this income, he's able to afford to buy his own lunch, but noooooo. On most Wednesdays/Thursdays, you can find Dick scarfing lunch with some pals at Parx, playing the simulcasts. Management picks up the food tab, of course, in case you're interested.

I ask you all: is Jerardi a gonev.... I say by all means no, but just don't tell me he's a honest journalist either.

Little Dickie posted his mid-week MidAtlantic piece in the DRF today. The usual recap of press releases sent to him by track PR Directors. No mention of the bettors getting the shaft over the weekend but everything you ever wanted to know, and more, about Penn National trainers, Ha!!

[Cannon shell]

Little Dickie posted his mid-week MidAtlantic piece in the DRF today. The usual recap of press releases sent to him by track PR Directors. No mention of the bettors getting the shaft over the weekend but everything you ever wanted to know, and more, about Penn National trainers, Ha!!
He is basically the Baghdad Bob of shady operations.

[JustRalph]

Little Dickie posted his mid-week MidAtlantic piece in the DRF today. The usual recap of press releases sent to him by track PR Directors. No mention of the bettors getting the shaft over the weekend but everything you ever wanted to know, and more, about Penn National trainers, Ha!!

I am surprised no press on the Parx story. Apparently Parx is irrelevant or not enough impact on players to make the news.

Saratoga being in full swing, there is lots better stuff to cover, I guess.

[wiffleball whizz]

Pennsylvania gambling is a disgrace to gambling...

The racing is great (Pocono Chester meadows, parx isn't bad) But the pools and takeout is a joke...

Dick who I'm sure lurks should come on here and tell us why we should play parx.......tell us how execs at parx ate trying to lower takeout...

My days of betting parx and meadows is over....can't say I won't bet Pocono or Chester if I'm there live....

U walk into parx and the energy gets sucked out of you'd veins....

About 3 years ago I heard my ex gf was dealing table games at parx and I happened to be at my fathers house in jersey about around Xmas so I wanted to do the rite thing and go see her.....so I'm nervous about seeing her and I walk in the main casino at parx with Xmas music blasting should have that nervous energy and I see her and didn't even recognize her......repulsive.com

No matter whats happens a trip to parx won't end good....

Done with betting horses there and done playing cards there

[ManU918]

And then if you go inside the poker room is no bargain either

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/huh.gif


Parx is one of the top poker rooms in the United States.

[wiffleball whizz]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/huh.gif


Parx is one of the top poker rooms in the United States.

One of the poker rooms with most games and professional staff

Very hard to win in the poker room.....not alot of dummies:...people don't get money in bad there

15/30 is hard

[camourous]

Anybody see the 6th there today? A shoving match between 2nd and 3rd place jocks in the stretch, and the DRF chart spells it out as "exchanged elbows after crossing finish line." Replay link anyone?


Funny i tried to get the head on replay for it, and it cuts off before the horses hit the wire..

[Longshot6977]

Anybody see the 6th there today? A shoving match between 2nd and 3rd place jocks in the stretch, and the DRF chart spells it out as "exchanged elbows after crossing finish line." Replay link anyone?

Looks clean from the side view(but TVG didn't have a head on) , but they were rubbing along in the deep stretch for a few moments. Replay didn't show it after the finish.

[Shemp Howard]

Looks clean from the side view(but TVG didn't have a head on) , but they were rubbing along in the deep stretch for a few moments. Replay didn't show it after the finish.


Paul "KO" Kallai would have knocked them both out 30 years ago.

[Tom]

I agree that the jockeys are so used to riding out in the 5 path that even on days when the rail is good most of the riders avoid it.

You probably remember back when it was Keystone, and we could only bet it on Tuesdays when NYRA was dark, the 1 path was like a bank account - deposit before the race, then go cash. 1-2 -3 exacta boxes were flat bet profitable and the 1 hole was dominant. Could not wait for Tuesdays.