Oprah tells it like it ain't

[JustRalph]

http://ow.ly/2yNPQB

"Millions were lynched! "

I'm in a good mood. For no reason at all. Watching John Fogerty rock on Tv and illustrating bullshit on PA.....in off topic........ :lol:

[mostpost]

http://ow.ly/2yNPQB

"Millions were lynched! "

I'm in a good mood. For no reason at all. Watching John Fogerty rock on Tv and illustrating bullshit on PA.....in off topic........ :lol:
It seems very unlikely that millions of blacks were lynched in the United States, although Oprah did not limit her statement just to this country.

What we do know is that over 11M Africans were captured and sent to North America. Up to twenty percent of those died on the voyage across the Atlantic. That is over 2 million. Add to that those who were murdered when they were slaves, from beatings, from overwork, for trying to escape and for any number of reasons.

But we can be so proud that we only lynched 3446 blacks between 1882 and the present. Not only that, but we also lynched 1297 whites just to show we weren't racist.

Oprah made an off the cuff remark which was not accurate. Joe Newby used that remark to minimize the deaths of over 3,000 people. I have an opinion of who is the A$$&%$^ here.

[JustRalph]

Blah ......blah......blah.......

[wiffleball whizz]

The double standard is getting worse by the day.....

Quick story.....I work in a casino on a random tuesady we had 2 games going and one guy was playing he was as white trash as you can get....

He got a nasty attitude gets up and walks to the bathroom.....I start hearing yelling here was the exchange it was him and a black bathroom attendant we all started hearing yelling....

White I I'm gonna guess gets done using the bathroom washes his hands and I'm gonna assume he missed the basket wit the towel.....

Black guy says: treat the bathroom like its st your house white boy....

White guy says clean up the bathroom black boy,....

Now the black guy comes running out and within 2 min there is 15 security guards up there......

I don't know what happened after that but I have seen the bathroom attendant there after that.....

If he alleged that white guy called him black boy and the black
Guy was called black boy all the blame fell on the white guy apparently

[Robert Goren]

The white racist of today does everything possible to deny the past and how whites treated blacks in this country for the last 250 years. How many black Americans owned white Americans? That question pretty well settles the question of race in this country.

[JustRalph]

The white racist of today does everything possible to deny the past and how whites treated blacks in this country for the last 250 years. How many black Americans owned white Americans? That question pretty well settles the question of race in this country.

Once again you are making comments that have not one thing to do with the thread.

If you want to call me racist, just come out and say it. Oprah was embellishing to enhance her point. Common tactic

[Stillriledup]

The white racist of today does everything possible to deny the past and how whites treated blacks in this country for the last 250 years. How many black Americans owned white Americans? That question pretty well settles the question of race in this country.

Would you say that Blacks have 'let it go' or are they still carrying around this hate and this hurt from something that has nothing to do with them personally? If a black person carries around some anger towards the non-black man for stuff that happened decades and centuries ago, how does that seem fair to anyone who's not part of the Black community?

I think if you (not you personally) want to be part of society, you have to stop acting like you have your little 'community' that's somehow separate from the "communities" of other races. Why have a "Separate" community called the black community? Why not just be part of regular society, its not like its a closed club and blacks arent allowed in.

[delayjf]

What we do know is that over 11M Africans were captured and sent to North America

What is the source for "11 Million slaves".

This is from Wikipedia
Although the international slave trade was prohibited from 1808, internal slave-trading continued apace, and the slave population would eventually peak at four million before abolition.[1][2] Of all 1,515,605 families in the 15 slave states in 1860, nearly 400,000 held slaves (roughly one in four),[3] amounting to 8% of all American families.[4]

[Robert Goren]

Even if it was "only " 4 million, that was 4 million too many! The fact we had to fight a very bloody civil war to get rid of slavery speak volumes of the slave holders.

[Tom]

It speaks volumes about our nation.
BTW, in case you did not know, no one alive today was ever a slave, and no one alive today was ever a slave-owner.

Isn't it time to move on?

[tucker6]

What is the source for "11 Million slaves".

This is from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa

Size of slavery

The size of slavery within Africa and the trade in slaves to other regions is not known precisely. Although the Atlantic slave trade has been best studied, estimates range from 8 million people to 20 million. The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database estimates that the Atlantic slave trade took around 12.8 million people between 1450 and 1900. The slave trade across the Sahara and Red Sea from the Sahara, the Horn of Africa, and East Africa, has been estimated at 6.2 million people between 600 and 1600. Although the rate decreased from East Africa in the 1700s, it increased in the 1800s and is estimated at 1.65 million for that century.



It would appear that the 11 million number is not unreasonable.

[Greyfox]

It speaks volumes about our nation.
BTW, in case you did not know, no one alive today was ever a slave, and no one alive today was ever a slave-owner.

Isn't it time to move on?

The bank owns me. It took me years to figure that out. I was in denial.

Regarding race: Yes, it is time to move on.

[xtb]

Even if it was "only " 4 million, that was 4 million too many! The fact we had to fight a very bloody civil war to get rid of slavery speak volumes of the slave holders.

It also speaks volumes of the white people who gave their lives to free the slaves. I don't see any gratitude for that, just resentment as if all whites were slaveholders.

[delayjf]

It would appear that the 11 million number is not unreasonable.

World wide over a period of 500 years fine, but not in the US.

[mostpost]

World wide over a period of 500 years fine, but not in the US.
Thanks to Tucker 6 for the wikipedia reference. If you will reread my #2, you will see that I said North America not the United States. Unfortunately, I can not find the particular article I found yesterday. Sometimes if you change the wording of your query, it produces entirely different results.

I do remember reading in the article that the United States did not hold nearly the majority of slaves in North America. There were many more slaves in the Caribbean Islands and Central America than in the USA. Four million plus in the US and seven or eight million elsewhere in North America would be a fair estimate.

[jballscalls]

It also speaks volumes of the white people who gave their lives to free the slaves. I don't see any gratitude for that, just resentment as if all whites were slaveholders.

I don't know, there seems to be a new book or movie on Lincoln every other year. He seems to generally be celebrated a lot for his efforts.

To say that slavery of 200 years ago doesn't have an effect on blacks and whites to me seems preposterous. There are countless academic articles and studies that show the effects of "historical trauma" and how it resonates with people, be it emotionally or situationally. When slavery ended, you still had all the former slaves who had no education, no skills other than labor, and then they passed on what education/skills they had. It takes a while for a group of people to catch up. And when you're starting out behind, it's tough to catch up. It's like carrying 184 pounds going six furlongs.

I don't think slavery has a direct effect on black kids of today, but it effected their ancestors, so then it effected their offspring, and their offspring...it trickles down as some might say.

Is it coincidental that Jewish people often have high rates of anxiety? and Jewish men have higher rates of depression than non-Jewish men? How can they not? Millions of their people were murdered. So you had the ones who survived fearing for their lives and passing along their worries and experiences to the next generation. We know addictions and behaviors are so often passed along from generation to generation, from the amount of studying I've done on trauma (we study it quite a bit in my school program) it's my belief that these massive injustices continue to trickle down.

My hope is that the people who disagree with what I've said will be open minded to it and research it further, not just disagree because it's not part of their experience.

[FantasticDan]

Blah ......blah......blah.......What a perfect way to sum up your thread-starting criteria :ThmbUp: :p

[Tom]

I don't think slavery has a direct effect on black kids of today, but it effected their ancestors, so then it effected their offspring, and their offspring...it trickles down as some might say.

No doubt, but some generation has to stop using it as an excuse.
On the other hand, does it ever occur to anyone that White people are affefted by the actions of our ancestors in owning PEOPLE? By the animalistic treatment of Blacks after slavery, and even into the 60's?
I assure you, the very idea of owning another person is revolting to many.
The idea of Whites Only and back of the bus are revolting concepts.

Both sides need to move and focus on the future, not the past.
I saw first hand horrendous examples of racism when I was in school.
By both sides. The sound of a car door locking when a Black man walks by don't cut the mustard.

[jballscalls]

No doubt, but some generation has to stop using it as an excuse.
On the other hand, does it ever occur to anyone that White people are affefted by the actions of our ancestors in owning PEOPLE? By the animalistic treatment of Blacks after slavery, and even into the 60's?
I assure you, the very idea of owning another person is revolting to many.
The idea of Whites Only and back of the bus are revolting concepts.

Both sides need to move and focus on the future, not the past.
I saw first hand horrendous examples of racism when I was in school.
By both sides. The sound of a car door locking when a Black man walks by don't cut the mustard.

I think you make some valid points Tom. I'm sure guilt and disgust were surely passed down, and they are worthy feelings for people to process, even now. Those of us who are privileged have to process through the feelings of having those privileges and how we deal with having them.

I tend to be on your side and agree that a more solution focused effort will be more helpful. I think the problem with that is when we completely dismiss the past, you're not taking the entire picture of someone's life/experience. But overall I agree with you

[cj's dad]

I remember the early 60's when I would go to the local olympic size pool at Patterson Park in East Baltimore. Blacks were not allowed with the exception of Wednesday after 4PM when they were allowed in until dusk. The sign went up at about 3 PM or so which read "Colored only at 4PM". Also, on the walkway outside the pool building, there were two seperate water fountains; one had a brass nameplate "whites only" the other "colored's only.

The point I am trying to make is that those blacks who are in my age range-65- do have cause for some level of resentment, however as Tom posted it is over and it is time to move on.

[jballscalls]

I remember the early 60's when I would go to the local olympic size pool at Patterson Park in East Baltimore. Blacks were not allowed with the exception of Wednesday after 4PM when they were allowed in until dusk. The sign went up at about 3 PM or so which read "Colored only at 4PM". Also, on the walkway outside the pool building, there were two seperate water fountains; one had a brass nameplate "whites only" the other "colored's only.

The point I am trying to make is that those blacks who are in my age range-65- do have cause for some level of resentment, however as Tom posted it is over and it is time to move on.

I think it's a little bit to easy to just say "let's move on." You and I can do that. Lots of people can't.

I'd really be interested if we have any black members here who could maybe give their perspective on these issues we're discussing.

[Clocker]

BTW, in case you did not know, no one alive today was ever a slave, and no one alive today was ever a slave-owner.

Not true. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) earlier this year said the following on the floor of the House:

"I stand here as a freed slave because this Congress came together."

[Tom]

I think she meant to say MORON!
She IS not a slave and never WAS a slave, thanks to one man - a REPUBLICAN. :lol:

Who not only freed the slaves, but killed vampires on the side.
Wadda man!!!!!

[JustRalph]

I don't know, there seems to be a new book or movie on Lincoln every other year. He seems to generally be celebrated a lot for his efforts.

To say that slavery of 200 years ago doesn't have an effect on blacks and whites to me seems preposterous. There are countless academic articles and studies that show the effects of "historical trauma" and how it resonates with people, be it emotionally or situationally. When slavery ended, you still had all the former slaves who had no education, no skills other than labor, and then they passed on what education/skills they had. It takes a while for a group of people to catch up. And when you're starting out behind, it's tough to catch up. It's like carrying 184 pounds going six furlongs.

I don't think slavery has a direct effect on black kids of today, but it effected their ancestors, so then it effected their offspring, and their offspring...it trickles down as some might say.

Is it coincidental that Jewish people often have high rates of anxiety? and Jewish men have higher rates of depression than non-Jewish men? How can they not? Millions of their people were murdered. So you had the ones who survived fearing for their lives and passing along their worries and experiences to the next generation. We know addictions and behaviors are so often passed along from generation to generation, from the amount of studying I've done on trauma (we study it quite a bit in my school program) it's my belief that these massive injustices continue to trickle down.

My hope is that the people who disagree with what I've said will be open minded to it and research it further, not just disagree because it's not part of their experience.

Pure pablum. Created to keep minorities under thumb.

There are countless examples of minority families that refused to subscribe to this baloney. The one thing they all seem to have in common is strong parents who ignored the victim label and were dedicated to strongly educating their children. Move on and move up!!

[Stillriledup]

I don't know, there seems to be a new book or movie on Lincoln every other year. He seems to generally be celebrated a lot for his efforts.

To say that slavery of 200 years ago doesn't have an effect on blacks and whites to me seems preposterous. There are countless academic articles and studies that show the effects of "historical trauma" and how it resonates with people, be it emotionally or situationally. When slavery ended, you still had all the former slaves who had no education, no skills other than labor, and then they passed on what education/skills they had. It takes a while for a group of people to catch up. And when you're starting out behind, it's tough to catch up. It's like carrying 184 pounds going six furlongs.

I don't think slavery has a direct effect on black kids of today, but it effected their ancestors, so then it effected their offspring, and their offspring...it trickles down as some might say.

Is it coincidental that Jewish people often have high rates of anxiety? and Jewish men have higher rates of depression than non-Jewish men? How can they not? Millions of their people were murdered. So you had the ones who survived fearing for their lives and passing along their worries and experiences to the next generation. We know addictions and behaviors are so often passed along from generation to generation, from the amount of studying I've done on trauma (we study it quite a bit in my school program) it's my belief that these massive injustices continue to trickle down.

My hope is that the people who disagree with what I've said will be open minded to it and research it further, not just disagree because it's not part of their experience.

The Key, as Ralph says, is finding a way to ignore the victim label. There are too many who embrace this label, which is unfortunate. If you (not you personally) come across as angry and militant, society isnt going to treat you as well as if you came across a different way.

[Greyfox]

If any of us dig deep enough in our own history, we can claim "historical trauma."
I knew a man once who was still angry at the British for what Oliver Cromwell did to the Irish in the 1600's.
Then of course there are native Indians (first peoples) who still carry grudges for the settlement of North America by the whites.
And the Japanese who were gathered up in WWII ...
and the list goes on.
What happened happened.
We cannot revise history.
We don't need to run around feeling guilty for it either.
As I said, any of us can probably claim victimhood somewhere in our ancestors remote past.
Get over it. Move on.

[jballscalls]

If any of us dig deep enough in our own history, we can claim "historical trauma."
I knew a man once who was still angry at the British for what Oliver Cromwell did to the Irish in the 1600's.
Then of course there are native Indians (first peoples) who still carry grudges for the settlement of North America by the whites.
And the Japanese who were gathered up in WWII ...
and the list goes on.
What happened happened.
We cannot revise history.
We don't need to run around feeling guilty for it either.
As I said, any of us can probably claim victimhood somewhere in our ancestors remote past.
Get over it. Move on.

why do you think we're all messed up :)

[jballscalls]

Pure pablum. Created to keep minorities under thumb.

There are countless examples of minority families that refused to subscribe to this baloney. The one thing they all seem to have in common is strong parents who ignored the victim label and were dedicated to strongly educating their children. Move on and move up!!

I'm not saying we apply the victim label and tell them that's why they maybe aren't in a good spot in life. Of course you work hard and forward to go up. But part of education is learning about the past no? And we are where we are now because of the past, and what we've learned from it.

I'm not saying it's an excuse at this point. Just saying it's part of the overall conversation and shouldn't just be swept under the rug.

[Tom]

I am still pissed off at those damn neandrathals! :mad:

[wiffleball whizz]

I remember the early 60's when I would go to the local olympic size pool at Patterson Park in East Baltimore. Blacks were not allowed with the exception of Wednesday after 4PM when they were allowed in until dusk. The sign went up at about 3 PM or so which read "Colored only at 4PM". Also, on the walkway outside the pool building, there were two seperate water fountains; one had a brass nameplate "whites only" the other "colored's only.

The point I am trying to make is that those blacks who are in my age range-65- do have cause for some level of resentment, however as Tom posted it is over and it is time to move on.


Agree with you and Tom,.....it is time to move on

15 minutes at work here is the situation....I'm getting ready to go into
A card game and deal and the guy im releaving is black....he just gives the black player $10 tip on a $42 pot,.....

2 hands later I deal the guy a $540 pot....I get zero.....then a $140 pot zero...then a $95 pot,..zero.....stiff stiff stiff...

In my opinion that's racism.....and trust me he can keep his money I don't want it.,...I'd rather get no tip and then share the story here

I'm so respectful to people of color and don't appreciate it when I feel as though I should feel guilty cuz I'm white......I did nothing to promote slavery 400 years ago or whenever it was.....

But it's ok though when I'm getting out of my car and see a older black lady needing help to get the groceries in the car that I put them all in for her or throw a $5 bill into the donation cup for the African American heritage fund cans.....this bullshit gotta stop at some point.....

[RunForTheRoses]

Enough already! btw when does AA end? Just curious.

[mostpost]

Enough already! btw when does AA end? Just curious.
AA? Alcoholics Anonymous? American Airlines? Albatross Aggravation? Awesome Atlanta? Arid Arizona? Arachnid Awareness? Which AA are you talking about? Just curious. ;)

[cj's dad]

AA? Alcoholics Anonymous? American Airlines? Albatross Aggravation? Awesome Atlanta? Arid Arizona? Arachnid Awareness? Which AA are you talking about? Just curious. ;)You clearly know what he is refering to. Grow up !! Foolish responses deserve responses which are equally absurd- TOUCHE !!!!