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jjflan
07-25-2013, 08:00 PM
I live in Arizona so I'm barred from Twin Spires and other online American betting venues where the money actually goes into the track pools. I've been using an off-shore casino with the imaginative name of HorseBetting.com. No complaints so far but some years ago I was in a similar situation where the off-shore betting service suddenly was shut down and disappeared with the nice bankroll I'd built up over several years. For obvious reasons I'd like to "diversify". If anyone has had a good experience betting (and getting paid) using an off-shore venue I'd appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks, guys!:)

Johnny V
07-25-2013, 10:46 PM
Check out 5 dimes. I have heard some good things about them. It is not an endorsement of anything illegal mind you but whichever one you look at you are going to hear both positive and negative things about any of them. Bettor beware applies to them all. One possible way to approach this is to go to covers.com and do some research there and check out the various off shore sites listed therein. Also you can look at some of the applicable betting forums on the site discussing the topic. Good luck.

Fox
07-25-2013, 11:24 PM
The 10% flat cash back rebate seems a bit too good to be true for a non-parimutuel

traynor
07-25-2013, 11:42 PM
I live in Arizona so I'm barred from Twin Spires and other online American betting venues where the money actually goes into the track pools. I've been using an off-shore casino with the imaginative name of HorseBetting.com. No complaints so far but some years ago I was in a similar situation where the off-shore betting service suddenly was shut down and disappeared with the nice bankroll I'd built up over several years. For obvious reasons I'd like to "diversify". If anyone has had a good experience betting (and getting paid) using an off-shore venue I'd appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks, guys!:)

You might want to be absolutely certain what you are doing. There is more to it than just not being able to bet with US online betting venues. I am of course not qualified to give legal advice, other than to suggest you have a heart-to-heart with your attorney before you start leaving an electronic trail of wagering.

Johnny V
07-25-2013, 11:59 PM
The 10% flat cash back rebate seems a bit too good to be true for a non-parimutuel
There are rebates ranging from 1% to 9% depending on track wagered and type and amount of bet. There is a flat 10% added to any winning ticket. You can choose which one of the two you want. They also offer reduced juice for any sports betting.

I would seriously take into account the caveat traynor posted. Since you are already using another offshore account you probably have wisely taken all of this into consideration already.

lamboguy
07-26-2013, 12:27 AM
You might want to be absolutely certain what you are doing. There is more to it than just not being able to bet with US online betting venues. I am of course not qualified to give legal advice, other than to suggest you have a heart-to-heart with your attorney before you start leaving an electronic trail of wagering.this is what i call real solid advice, especially for an arizona resident

northerndancer
07-26-2013, 04:19 PM
You might want to be absolutely certain what you are doing. There is more to it than just not being able to bet with US online betting venues. I am of course not qualified to give legal advice, other than to suggest you have a heart-to-heart with your attorney before you start leaving an electronic trail of wagering.

While speaking with your attorney you may want your CPA to be present as well.... you having an account 'off shore' may require a different approach when preparing your income tax return.

wiffleball whizz
07-26-2013, 05:17 PM
3 friends never had a problem with sportsbook.com....

I myself don't go that route while gambling but it is reliable and reputable though.....in my opinion any site that advertises in big name magazines is safe

thaskalos
07-26-2013, 05:31 PM
3 friends never had a problem with sportsbook.com....

I myself don't go that route while gambling but it is reliable and reputable though.....in my opinion any site that advertises in big name magazines is safe
I recall FullTiltPoker having quite an extensive advertising campaign too...no? :)

lamboguy
07-26-2013, 05:31 PM
there is no such thing as safe, especially in the sports book industry.

there was a legit place in Las Vegas right on Las Vegas Blvd called Gary Austin's.

he put up a bad line on a world series game to suck people into betting him. all the money came in on the winning side, everyone came out of the woodwork to bet him that game.. the wrong side won, and Gary did a dixie doo.http://www.onlinebetting.com/gary-austin/

wiffleball whizz
07-26-2013, 05:36 PM
I recall FullTiltPoker having quite an extensive advertising campaign too...no? :)

Very true thaskalos.....they didn't wanna pay I totally forgot about that to be honest......but I do recall them always paying before the DOJ stepped in....

I remember like 4 years ago I just started going out with my gf at the time she won a tourney for 22k and then won like 4400 playing 30/60 stud on full tilt and she asked for a check for 25000 and left in the balance I told her she would never see the Money sure enough like 10 days later she had it.....I couldn't believe it

I myself never got involved with online gaming....for some reason I get scared I'll lose my gaming license if something went wrong.....but yet I bet with a book cuz that's so legal :lol: :lol: :lol:

thaskalos
07-26-2013, 05:49 PM
Very true thaskalos.....they didn't wanna pay I totally forgot about that to be honest......but I do recall them always paying before the DOJ stepped in....

I remember like 4 years ago I just started going out with my gf at the time she won a tourney for 22k and then won like 4400 playing 30/60 stud on full tilt and she asked for a check for 25000 and left in the balance I told her she would never see the Money sure enough like 10 days later she had it.....I couldn't believe it

I myself never got involved with online gaming....for some reason I get scared I'll lose my gaming license if something went wrong.....but yet I bet with a book cuz that's so legal :lol: :lol: :lol:
Whizz...

Do Howard Lederer and "Jesus" Ferguson still show their face around the major poker rooms?

_______
07-26-2013, 06:58 PM
You might want to be absolutely certain what you are doing. There is more to it than just not being able to bet with US online betting venues. I am of course not qualified to give legal advice, other than to suggest you have a heart-to-heart with your attorney before you start leaving an electronic trail of wagering.

There has never been a prosecution of a player in the United States for betting on line. Not one.

There is plenty of reason for due diligence on any website you're sending money to. But I'd bet that on line gambling is legalized in some form before any player is ever prosecuted.

traynor
07-26-2013, 07:10 PM
There has never been a prosecution of a player in the United States for betting on line. Not one.

There is plenty of reason for due diligence on any website you're sending money to. But I'd bet that on line gambling is legalized in some form before any player is ever prosecuted.

And what guarantee do you provide for your recommendation of this illegal behavior to those gullible enough to accept it? Other than the incredibly foolish belief that, "They can't arrest all of us, so if we all do it, we'll all be safe!"

If you are an attorney, and qualified to give legal advice to the residents of Arizona, please so specify, and define your credentials.

If you are just an affiliate or shill for some offshore betting facility, you might specify that, too, just to put things in perspective.

_______
07-26-2013, 08:51 PM
And what guarantee do you provide for your recommendation of this illegal behavior to those gullible enough to accept it? Other than the incredibly foolish belief that, "They can't arrest all of us, so if we all do it, we'll all be safe!"

If you are an attorney, and qualified to give legal advice to the residents of Arizona, please so specify, and define your credentials.

If you are just an affiliate or shill for some offshore betting facility, you might specify that, too, just to put things in perspective.

I'm neither. But the idea that only an attorney can look at a fact like "no player prosecutions" and draw a reasonable conclusion about the danger of that happening in the future is utter nonsense.

I wouldn't suggest anyone take advice they get from random strangers on the internet too seriously. That includes hyperventilated warnings of doom.

But I'll stand by the undisputed fact that no one has ever been prosecuted for making an on line wager as the basis for my own opinion.

wiffleball whizz
07-26-2013, 08:52 PM
Whizz...

Do Howard Lederer and "Jesus" Ferguson still show their face around the major poker rooms?

I heard Lederer is in hiding and did a interview....ferguson gets a pass because of the "Jesus" bs and throwing cards through fruit....bottom line there all womanizing drug dealing/using scum....

Truth be told the nicest guy I've met is hellmuth and matasow

traynor
07-26-2013, 10:05 PM
I'm neither. But the idea that only an attorney can look at a fact like "no player prosecutions" and draw a reasonable conclusion about the danger of that happening in the future is utter nonsense.

I wouldn't suggest anyone take advice they get from random strangers on the internet too seriously. That includes hyperventilated warnings of doom.

But I'll stand by the undisputed fact that no one has ever been prosecuted for making an on line wager as the basis for my own opinion.

Uh huh. And that is your guarantee that no one, at any time, will ever go back over stored electronic records and say, "Hey ... we can get rid of this troublemaker in a flash! Back in 2013 he was betting online as a resident of the great state of Arizona!"

I think anyone stupid enough to conduct illegal activities because someone declared it "safe" based on a declaration of "undisputed facts" deserves whatever they get. Darwinism in action.

Again, I strongly advise anyone who is a resident of Arizona and is currently wagering online, or intends to wager online, seek legal counsel before proceeding. If you can't afford to CYA, you can't afford to bet.

Helles
07-27-2013, 11:59 AM
There isn't an ethical lawyer in Arizona or anywhere else that would advise their client to go ahead and commit a crime, so it is unlikely that counsel would recommend wagering from Arizona if it's illegal. Seeking counsel would in my opinion be a waste of time and money.

Admitting on a public forum that one is committing a crime is careless to say the least. Seeking input from others on how to best continue this criminal enterprise is beyond careless. That the OP felt comfortable doing so is a measure of how likely he considers it that he would ever be prosecuted for betting at home from Arizona. If this is his measured appraisal, I tend to agree with him. Based on my 20+ years in law enforcement, some of it spent working as an investigator in the District Attorney's Office, I also think it unlikely that he would ever be prosecuted. That is not a guarantee he wouldn't. I have no idea how much money he is moving.

That said, the OP has already supplied enough information (read probable cause) to begin an investigation that would be relatively easy to file for prosecution. So Traynor's suggestion to proceed with caution is one I would agree with, albeit from a slightly different perspective.

classhandicapper
07-27-2013, 12:44 PM
There isn't an ethical lawyer in Arizona or anywhere else that would advise their client to go ahead and commit a crime, so it is unlikely that counsel would recommend wagering from Arizona if it's illegal. Seeking counsel would in my opinion be a waste of time and money.

Admitting on a public forum that one is committing a crime is careless to say the least. Seeking input from others on how to best continue this criminal enterprise is beyond careless. That the OP felt comfortable doing so is a measure of how likely he considers it that he would ever be prosecuted for betting at home from Arizona. If this is his measured appraisal, I tend to agree with him. Based on my 20+ years in law enforcement, some of it spent working as an investigator in the District Attorney's Office, I also think it unlikely that he would ever be prosecuted. That is not a guarantee he wouldn't. I have no idea how much money he is moving.

That said, the OP has already supplied enough information (read probable cause) to begin an investigation that would be relatively easy to file for prosecution. So Traynor's suggestion to proceed with caution is one I would agree with, albeit from a slightly different perspective.

If the government ever decided to prosecute people that bet illegally, they would have to close down 15 states to have enough land to fit all the prisons they'd need. The amount of money being bet illegally on football, poker, and other sports dwarfs racing.

Helles
07-27-2013, 01:54 PM
Agree 100%. In order to draw any attention at all, he would have to be moving a LOT of money.

raybo
07-27-2013, 03:07 PM
My advice; proceed with caution.

The powers that be, IMO, have 3 primary reasons to frown on off-shore accounts/activity:

1. Funding of "undesirables" (terrorists)
2. Money laundering
3. Tax evasion

You would fall into category 3, so keep that in mind. Check with a tax attorney, but they will probably tell you not to bet offshore. If you are a profitable player, meaning you make more than you bet, then you must ask yourself how you are going to handle the tax situation. Can you simply claim the earnings on your tax return, legally? What will IRS think of offshore betting activity that results in a profit before taxes? If you pay state income taxes in Arizona, and it's illegal to wager online as a resident of that state, then what are the legal/tax implications you face from the state.

Whether or not anyone has ever been prosecuted for wagering online is really beside the point, you still have to worry about the tax implications you will face. They might not prosecute you for betting online, but they could indeed prosecute you for filing an income from illegal activity on your tax return. And if you don't file that income, then of course, you face tax evasion charges.

My recommendation would be, do not bet offshore, if you are truly a profitable player.