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Stillriledup
05-20-2013, 05:17 PM
First 5 races today the winner paid UNDER 4 dollars.

Shouldnt FL be a bit more vigilant at carding competitive races on the day that NYRA is dark?

Any horse who has ANY kind of talent (and even those that don't, like Winmor Gold) in an Aqu/Bel race can ship to this place and pay 2.60. Its not like the purses are terrible either. I see Maggie Moss is running horses here, makes no sense why more arent shipping up here for the free cash.

What say you Tom?

Tom
05-20-2013, 06:30 PM
NY maiden shippers tower over our horses. I don't know why more don't ship for the money.

FL has two basic kinds of winners - chalk and surprise!

NJ Stinks
05-21-2013, 12:11 AM
FL has two basic kinds of winners - chalk and surprise!

Amen. Freehold is like that too.

Some_One
05-21-2013, 01:32 AM
Wow, you just can't please people here eh? couple of weeks ago it was that 'form' wasn't holding at keeneland and was unpredictable, now here you have the form holding up (at least IMO) and people still complain. Simple solution, if you think the heavy is legit, don't bet.

FantasticDan
06-03-2013, 06:04 PM
FL announced today that, starting next week, they will add a 10th race on Tuesdays, and only have eight races on Saturdays.

Tom
06-03-2013, 09:24 PM
They care more about the simulcasting than the live crowd.
Can't blame them but then again, can't support them either.

FantasticDan
06-14-2013, 02:10 PM
Finger Lakes had grand hopes for expanded gaming.. table games, a new hotel, more slots, etc.. first announced in Feb 2012:

http://www.victorpost.com/business/x1481615312/FLCRT-plans-80-million-expansion-if-legalized-gambling-passes#axzz2WDOs28l9

All down the crapper now:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/78881/deal-with-ny-tribe-limits-casino-locations

Tom
06-14-2013, 02:23 PM
Sold out by Albany

pondman
06-14-2013, 02:44 PM
Any horse who has ANY kind of talent (and even those that don't, like Winmor Gold) in an Aqu/Bel race can ship to this place and pay 2.60. Its not like the purses are terrible either. I see Maggie Moss is running horses here, makes no sense why more arent shipping up here for the free cash.

What say you Tom?

This doesn't really hold up much. You'll lose your pants and shirt on AQU/Bel claimers. I'd avoid these. I'd pay attention to the allowance races with the AQU/Bel shippers. Nothing today.

My highest paying tri ever was at Finger Lakes. It was a repeat maiden winner. These will pay out big prices. Nothing today!

lamboguy
06-14-2013, 04:02 PM
Finger Lakes is one of my favorite tracks. its true that in the beginning of the meet there are a lot of short priced horses there, but as the meet goes on you can get big prices. its the same every year. after 3 or 4 races the horses that had been off the whole winter are as fit as the ones that came into the Lakes with the fitness edge.

the same thing happens in most smaller b+c tracks. with any horse track you always have to get your game plan in place before you attempt to take the money out of those places. no body said this game is easy. if you think you are going to sit back and run a computer program and figure out pace numbers all day you will go clean as a clam.

FantasticDan
09-27-2013, 04:52 PM
Sorry for using this old thread to ask this, but didn't want to start a new one.. can someone tell me what the late (6-9) Pick 4 paid today at Finger Lakes? I checked the results at both Equibase and DRF, and for some reason there's no payoffs listed for the Pick 4. :confused:

Thanks! :)

Golf and Horses
09-27-2013, 05:00 PM
Late Pk 4 : 2/4/2/2,3,4,6 - 4 of 4 $496

schweitz
09-27-2013, 05:02 PM
.50 pick-4 = $124.00

FantasticDan
09-27-2013, 05:21 PM
Much obliged! :ThmbUp:

BlueShoe
10-03-2013, 02:32 PM
Here in SoCal we rarely have FL on the Otb menu, but we have it offered today and Friday. In looking at the Friday DRF see something that I really like, and that is very few layoff lines, Ie, they do not keep them in the barn, but race them at FL. This is unlike the major tracks which every day are filled with horses that have been away for one reason or another. As a 'capper that likes recency, find this FL trend a positive. Unsure if the Fri FL card is not typical in this respect, perhaps FL regulars can advise? Yes I know, several 4500 conditioned claimers, but have always done okay in these races, so who knows? :)

thespaah
10-03-2013, 09:57 PM
Finger Lakes had grand hopes for expanded gaming.. table games, a new hotel, more slots, etc.. first announced in Feb 2012:

http://www.victorpost.com/business/x1481615312/FLCRT-plans-80-million-expansion-if-legalized-gambling-passes#axzz2WDOs28l9

All down the crapper now:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/78881/deal-with-ny-tribe-limits-casino-locations
Cuomo is as big or maybe an even bigger idiot than his father.
He sold out the non indian residents of NY as well as business interests that could have grossed the State many times that piddly $210 mil...
Cuomo wet his underoos because the Senecas were going to pay for an anti casino referendum...Big deal.

thespaah
10-03-2013, 10:00 PM
They care more about the simulcasting than the live crowd.
Can't blame them but then again, can't support them either.
I have noticed that smaller tracks are avoiding weekend dates. I believe this may be because they don't wish to attempt to compete with NYRA or So Cal.
THese two entities probably account for over 50% of the simulcast and ADW handle on weekends. Which means, nobody is betting Finger Lakes or Suffolk, etc.

Tom
10-03-2013, 10:06 PM
FL has targeted Mon-tues for years.
Sundays, they got poor attendence, even with NFL and food specials, and Bet the Pros and Ponies contests.

Stillriledup
10-03-2013, 11:28 PM
FL has targeted Mon-tues for years.
Sundays, they got poor attendence, even with NFL and food specials, and Bet the Pros and Ponies contests.

They need to construct a gorgeous, state of the art, sportsbook with brand new HUGE tv's with all the games, and of course, horse betting at FL. Its 2013, there's no excuse for any track to not have a state of the art "racebook" that shows a ton of sports. They need to make a "vegas feel" to it.

PoloUK6108
10-04-2013, 04:00 AM
They need to construct a gorgeous, state of the art, sportsbook with brand new HUGE tv's with all the games, and of course, horse betting at FL. Its 2013, there's no excuse for any track to not have a state of the art "racebook" that shows a ton of sports. They need to make a "vegas feel" to it.

This x10

I'm hoping that the new River Downs opening next year will be as such, being that the new owners also own Belterra casino. It's competing with a brand new Horseshoe casino in Cinci, so my expectations are high.

Tom
10-04-2013, 09:51 AM
They need to construct a gorgeous, state of the art, sportsbook with brand new HUGE tv's with all the games, and of course, horse betting at FL. Its 2013, there's no excuse for any track to not have a state of the art "racebook" that shows a ton of sports. They need to make a "vegas feel" to it.

We don't have the budget of SRU Downs.

Stillriledup
11-06-2013, 02:48 PM
Seems like an anti chalkfest at FL today! Hope you guys are hammering the windows! :ThmbUp:

FantasticDan
11-07-2013, 02:55 PM
What's up with this long delay before the 6th race? There was another bad breakdown on the slop today, and FL has been taking recent heat:

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/local/2013/11/02/horse-deaths-jump-at-finger-lakes-track/3386739/

So are jocks refusing to ride? Or maybe they're doing some impromptu track work, or waiting for an ambulance?

EDIT: Yikes, so according to a down-sounding Tony Calo, the horses had been loaded in the gate for the 6th when one of the horses had an incident. Must have been bad to send all the horses back to the paddock for a long delay.

Not a good day at FL. :(

Tom
11-07-2013, 03:14 PM
Wonder how many of those 100+ breakdowns over the last few years shipped in from NYRA?

Appalling stats for both tracks.

Slot money is bad news for racing.
I hope the pols get greedy real quick and take it ALL away.
Not a red cent to racing.

FantasticDan
11-08-2013, 12:23 PM
EDIT: Yikes, so according to a down-sounding Tony Calo, the horses had been loaded in the gate for the 6th when one of the horses had an incident.This horse-flipping incident resulted in jockey Rudy Ignacio suffering multiple leg fractures. Wishing him the best for a full recovery.. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

The horse in question had cuts and scrapes, but otherwise okay. :ThmbUp:

FantasticDan
11-12-2013, 03:30 PM
Heavy snow squall moving thru FL, last race had zero visibility until they were almost home :eek:

Stillriledup
11-13-2013, 02:38 PM
FL judges looked at the 6th race "inquiry" about 40 times, when it was clear as day that the 4 horse caused the problems. The 4 finished out of the money, yet the judges felt it necessary to view this 50 times from every different angle.

Not sure what they were expecting to see that they couldnt have seen on the first or 2nd go around.

Tom
11-13-2013, 03:11 PM
Heavy snow squall moving thru FL, last race had zero visibility until they were almost home :eek:

I liked the comment - Not sure if they have left the gate or not. Your guess is as good as mine.

jk3521
11-13-2013, 06:27 PM
Heavy snow squall moving thru FL, last race had zero visibility until they were almost home :eek:
Yeah, for all we know a horse might have cut through the infield and joined the rest of the horses in the stretch! :D

FantasticDan
12-03-2013, 02:56 PM
Anyone streaming FL today? I've been trying to stream from their site for the last 20 minutes, but just getting a blank page via my VLC player. It was working fine earlier.. :confused:

FantasticDan
03-07-2014, 01:40 PM
BUMP..

Finger Lakes just released their 2014 schedule - same old, same old.

Tom, do you know any of the Fazio family at Finger Lakes? Whenever they have one of their handicapping contests, there's almost always someone with that surname among the finalists.. seems like there are several of them, ladies included.

Tom
03-07-2014, 10:39 PM
I have heard that name, but I don't know any of them.
Getting close to opening day.

I'll have to keep an eye out fro work outs when I drive by in the morning, now that it will light out.

FantasticDan
04-16-2014, 10:51 PM
DRF article re start of FL meet:

http://www.drf.com/news/finger-lakes-opens-162-day-meet-friday-15-stakes-calendar

Of note is the addition of a Pick 5, and some drops in purses.

Stillriledup
11-11-2014, 02:41 PM
24 dollar pick 5 today.

thaskalos
11-11-2014, 02:45 PM
That's why I call it, "Coffee-money" Tuesday...and I stay home.

thespaah
11-11-2014, 03:02 PM
That's tragic.
How the hell does a track present this rubbish and expect horseplayers to bet on it.....?

Stillriledup
11-11-2014, 03:15 PM
That's tragic.
How the hell does a track present this rubbish and expect horseplayers to bet on it.....?

The 'longshot' winner today was in Race 5! :D

outofthebox
11-11-2014, 04:22 PM
Anybody have the late pick 4..$5.85 for 50 cents...All races won by the post time favorite..

Stillriledup
11-11-2014, 04:34 PM
Anybody have the late pick 4..$5.85 for 50 cents...All races won by the post time favorite..

The public swept the card.

MJC922
11-11-2014, 06:38 PM
The public swept the card.

More boats out there this year than on Canandaigua lake I'm sure. Best thing to do is stay away, let the backside cannibalize its own money. The casino will be the only thing left standing soon enough. Sad story.

acorn54
11-12-2014, 12:08 AM
That's tragic.
How the hell does a track present this rubbish and expect horseplayers to bet on it.....?

good question. i had a conversation once with an addiction counselor who said probably 1/2 of horseplayers are addicted to the sport.

Robert Goren
11-12-2014, 07:08 AM
good question. i had a conversation once with an addiction counselor who said probably 1/2 of horseplayers are addicted to the sport. A low number if you count the number who are addicted to finding a system to beat the races and not just those addicted to the betting.

bello
11-12-2014, 10:17 AM
And if any one of those favorites lost you would have had a overlaid payoff. That is the way horizontals work. When a track is dealing with too few horses and too many races to fill, this is also what occurs.
.
Too many tracks, too few horses in the thoroghbred game.

Tooo many tracks in the harness game as well, but the horse population is no an issue. Breed is more durable.

cj
11-12-2014, 01:15 PM
First two go to the chalk today, now 11 in a row.

cj
11-12-2014, 01:20 PM
$11 winner in R3, the string is broken with a virtual bonanza comparatively.

bello
11-12-2014, 01:24 PM
Watched on Monday and over the weekend. Missing today and yesterday....It was a speedfest...Jump on the lead and your home free. Same with Mountaineer.

Maybe the bettors are jumping on the bandwagon.....

Stillriledup
11-12-2014, 02:12 PM
Every fave won yesterday and 4 out 5 dentists surveyed said 4 out of 5 favorites have won today.

wisconsin
11-12-2014, 04:25 PM
What I want to know is: who is betting these 2/5 shots to win? I mean, we see this so often nowadays. I remember 35 years ago, you might see one a week at your track. It was a big deal when a horse was even money.

Stillriledup
11-12-2014, 04:56 PM
What I want to know is: who is betting these 2/5 shots to win? I mean, we see this so often nowadays. I remember 35 years ago, you might see one a week at your track. It was a big deal when a horse was even money.

This is a great question and you're right, back in the day, it really took a superstar horse to be under 1-1 and now, you see crud horses in cheap maiden claimers going off at 1-5, 2-5 etc.

People have no problem making horses 1-5 and 2-5 no matter what track or what class.

Its a real problem! :D

cj
11-12-2014, 05:34 PM
What I want to know is: who is betting these 2/5 shots to win? I mean, we see this so often nowadays. I remember 35 years ago, you might see one a week at your track. It was a big deal when a horse was even money.

People might think I'm crazy, and I admit I haven't tried it and most likely won't, but I think it would be pretty easy to make money using a progressive betting system on the current horse racing product. There are just so many ridiculously obvious races these days you'd have to be a pretty bad handicapper to lose a bunch in a row.

FantasticDan
11-17-2014, 12:20 PM
Winter wonderland today at FL, very low visibility for Tony Calo. We need Trakus! :cool:

cutchemist42
11-17-2014, 12:42 PM
Winter wonderland today at FL, very low visibility for Tony Calo. We need Trakus! :cool:

Played the first DD with 4,5/5 and had no clue the visibility would be so bad.

FantasticDan
11-18-2014, 01:17 PM
The jocks refused to ride after the 1st race today due to cold temps, so the card was cancelled. It's cold, no doubt, but the track is fast and there are some peeks of sun, so I'm surprised by their decision. FL can't be happy about losing a day of NYRA-dark handle.

Stillriledup
11-24-2014, 03:22 PM
Anyone know the story with Pari Nath today at FL? I can't find on equibase that there's a jock change but something came across the scroll about correct weight 120.....im confused as to what happened.

Tom
11-24-2014, 03:37 PM
No chalk fest today - $124.00 winner!
Or, as we call it around here, the form horse. :D

FantasticDan
12-04-2014, 07:18 PM
Final day of the meet is tomorrow.. ending with a case of strangles:

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/thoroughbred-racing/strangles-case-confirmed-at-finger-lakes-quarantine-continues/

@DRFGrening mentioned that the quarantine could affect horses that would otherwise be shipping to AQU..

FantasticDan
12-05-2014, 10:35 AM
^Here is David Grening's article:

http://www.drf.com/news/case-strangles-leads-ban-horses-shipping-finger-lakes

FantasticDan
12-17-2014, 02:43 PM
New York Gaming Commission recommends Lago Resort and Casino be built in Tyre/Waterloo, just 25 minutes down the Thruway from Finger Lakes Gaming & Racetrack.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/wimot_wins_casino_site_in_finger_lakes.html

Not good news for Finger Lakes.

thespaah
12-17-2014, 05:44 PM
New York Gaming Commission recommends Lago Resort and Casino be built in Tyre/Waterloo, just 25 minutes down the Thruway from Finger Lakes Gaming & Racetrack.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/wimot_wins_casino_site_in_finger_lakes.html

Not good news for Finger Lakes.
Not good for Turning Stone either. or Vernon. Or Batavia....
In two years, there will be three casinos along the Thruway at Exits 25( River's Edge, Schenectady) 33 Verona( Turning Stone) and Exit 41 ( Lago Casino)
Ya know what though. Only players who are not fixated on slots will move to other houses. People are creatures of habit and like their comfort zone.
The Schenectady Casino is 100 miles from Turning Stone. My thinking is the Albany Schenectady Troy Glens Falls area residents will go the shorter route and visit the new place.
Syracuse and Rochester area residents will have two casinos within an hour of each other to choose from

Tom
12-17-2014, 09:57 PM
Way to go, morons.
NYS - home of the brain dead.
Let's put a Starbucks at each one while we're at it.

lamboguy
12-18-2014, 01:58 AM
is Finger Lakes still owned by Jeremy Jacobs and Delaware North Corporation?

if it is, its pretty surprising that they came after him too.

BIGTKLO
12-18-2014, 12:25 PM
Yes we are still owned by Delaware North. Yesterday was a tough day for all of the existing Racino's. New York let us know how they feel about all of the smaller venues. I watched the telecast live and had a good feeling going in, but that changed in a hurry. The board discussed how they took in all considerations especially the impact of existing gaming facilities. That trully applied only to the Catskills region. Tony Calo, announcer at Finger Lakes. Time to think about my future, WELCOME TO MACDONALDS WOULD YOU LIKE THAT SUPER SIZED.

lamboguy
12-18-2014, 12:49 PM
Yes we are still owned by Delaware North. Yesterday was a tough day for all of the existing Racino's. New York let us know how they feel about all of the smaller venues. I watched the telecast live and had a good feeling going in, but that changed in a hurry. The board discussed how they took in all considerations especially the impact of existing gaming facilities. That trully applied only to the Catskills region. Tony Calo, announcer at Finger Lakes. Time to think about my future, WELCOME TO MACDONALDS WOULD YOU LIKE THAT SUPER SIZED.
nice to see you, i hope that Delaware North can stick it to them some how.

as a horseman that has been dealing with the New York Bred program for a very long time, this would be a big blow to us and the program.

the states are making a big mistake putting their eggs behind the slot machines. its a non productive industry and i have seen it go bad before, now it looks like its getting over saturated. i am confident that horse racing will come back some day, and they do put a lot of people to work that pay taxes.

BIGTKLO
12-18-2014, 12:52 PM
Very true Lamboguy, not all of the NY breds can run at the big tracks. It will all work itself out.

bello
12-18-2014, 03:59 PM
Tony, I never thought Ross Morton could be replaced, but you do a great job. I another thread where they were discussing Tom Durkin leaving, I mentioned you should be considered for the NYRA job. No offense to others, but I still feel like you would have been a great addition downstate.

Hoping FLRC finds a way to survive. Quality of life still great there and as a fan and bettor my preferences lie with the hard hitting performers at the minor tracks.

I hope things work out for all.

BIGTKLO
12-18-2014, 04:17 PM
Hey Bello thank you very much for the compliments. I have been following racing since I was 10 years old. My father introduced me to this great game, and it's been in the blood ever since. I love a being a race caller, and after yesterday I can promise one thing for sure that every day I am blessed to be on the mic I will be giving it my all.

lamboguy
12-18-2014, 04:20 PM
Tony, I never thought Ross Morton could be replaced, but you do a great job. I another thread where they were discussing Tom Durkin leaving, I mentioned you should be considered for the NYRA job. No offense to others, but I still feel like you would have been a great addition downstate.

Hoping FLRC finds a way to survive. Quality of life still great there and as a fan and bettor my preferences lie with the hard hitting performers at the minor tracks.

I hope things work out for all.i wish the whole game of horse racing was as professional as all the announcer's in the game. that is one facet of the game that does not need mending.

Tony K give's the most descriptive call of a horse race of all time. if he tells you that your horse is covered up you know you are in big trouble. -

BIGTKLO
12-18-2014, 04:24 PM
Right on Lamboguy. I love catching horses make runs. I feel it is my strength. Now I just wish I could bet at the 1/4 pole then I'd be in business. LOL

FantasticDan
12-18-2014, 04:28 PM
Great to see you here, Mr. Calo.. you've earned a lot of rave reviews in this forum over the years.. here's just one thread..

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70772

:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

BIGTKLO
12-18-2014, 04:35 PM
Thanks Dan. I have been a fan of pace advantage for quite some time. I am a very private person. I'm always checking in on PA behind the scenes.

thespaah
12-18-2014, 06:04 PM
Thanks Dan. I have been a fan of pace advantage for quite some time. I am a very private person. I'm always checking in on PA behind the scenes.
I'm optimistic that most of the slots players and of course horseplayers at FL are those who are connected to the track because it is in their comfort zone.
Perhaps the new venue will siphon off some FL business, those looking for table games action, but I believe gamblers to be creatures of habit. That said, I believe FL's regular customers will stick around.
The pressure is on the FL maangement to keep them coming back.
Good luck to you. Hopefully you'll be calling races at FL for years to come.
BTW, Thanks for posting here at PA.

EMD4ME
12-18-2014, 06:34 PM
Thanks Dan. I have been a fan of pace advantage for quite some time. I am a very private person. I'm always checking in on PA behind the scenes.


I love...." make the horse's name up COMPLETES THE KIIIIIIILLLLLERRR CROSSOOOOVVVEEEEERR"

and of course: "so and so completes the SUPERRRRRRFECTAAAA"

hope it somehow works out for FL and you sir

EMD4ME
12-18-2014, 06:36 PM
Tony, I never thought Ross Morton could be replaced, but you do a great job. I another thread where they were discussing Tom Durkin leaving, I mentioned you should be considered for the NYRA job. No offense to others, but I still feel like you would have been a great addition downstate.

Hoping FLRC finds a way to survive. Quality of life still great there and as a fan and bettor my preferences lie with the hard hitting performers at the minor tracks.

I hope things work out for all.

TONY IS SOOO much better than Mr. Boring Larry colmus. If anyone else had the 'wife' call , like Tony, they would've done so much more with that opportunity.

And theeeeerrrrrrreee they goooooooooo , love him!

Tony should be calling NYRA not fall asleep colmus who just yells irrelevant words

Tom
12-18-2014, 09:52 PM
Tony, glad to see you here.
You have done a great job filling Ross's shoes.
I hope things turn out good at the "thumb."
Been going there since the Beatles did Sullivan!

BIGTKLO
12-18-2014, 09:53 PM
Thanks EMD4ME for the great compliments. I personally think NYRA made the right choice with Larry. Maybe John Dooley deserved a chance being a native New Yorker. I'm a ham n egger a good cheap horse announcer.

BIGTKLO
12-18-2014, 09:55 PM
Hey Tom that's a long time. I bet it must have been something in the day when the stands were all filled up. There is a picture of Funny Cide in the elevator. What a great day that must have been.

thaskalos
12-18-2014, 09:58 PM
Thanks EMD4ME for the great compliments. I personally think NYRA made the right choice with Larry. Maybe John Dooley deserved a chance being a native New Yorker. I'm a ham n egger a good cheap horse announcer.

You are one of the best, sir...exactly because you know what an announcer's role is in this game. In this game, there is no need for overdone dramatic effects by the race announcers. The horses supply more than enough drama.

You are one of only two announcers that I turn up my volume to hear. :ThmbUp:

BIGTKLO
12-18-2014, 10:01 PM
Overwhelmed by the support and compliments. Thanks again all.

thaskalos
12-18-2014, 10:03 PM
Overwhelmed by the support and compliments. Thanks again all.

It's a pleasure to be able to tell you directly what we think of you. You do a great job...and we wish you the best of luck in the future.

Tom
12-18-2014, 10:18 PM
Hey Tom that's a long time. I bet it must have been something in the day when the stands were all filled up. There is a picture of Funny Cide in the elevator. What a great day that must have been.

Tony, back in the day, if you got up to bet, you might lose your seat upstairs.
It was packed. The entire apron area was filled, fence to building. 11,000+ showed up for Funny Cide. Cars parked all the way down the road to 96 on one side and halfway to Beaver Creek on the other side. You could pass out in there and never hit the floor! One of the greatest days at the track I ever had. When he swung out for the stretch drive, you can''t imagine the noise from the crowd!

Tom
12-19-2014, 02:14 PM
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/89248/casino-would-negatively-impact-finger-lakes?source=rss

More on the new casino....

FantasticDan
03-16-2015, 06:06 PM
BUMP

I see Finger Lakes has posted its 2015 live racing schedule.. same old, same old.. except opening day is a couple weeks later than usual: Friday, May 1st.

Good idea after a horrible winter. Remember last year FL had issues with on-track training getting off to a late start due to weather, and subsequent cancellations due to lack of horses in race shape..

FantasticDan
03-22-2015, 11:47 PM
Interesting article regarding efforts underway to protect FL purses in expectation of losing substantial business to new casino complex just a couple Thruway exits down the road..

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/90822/bill-would-protect-purses-at-finger-lakes

Tom
03-23-2015, 08:31 PM
FL used to run mid May to mid October.
The good old days.

They ran first of March to first of December.
Lots of cancelled cards.

Stillriledup
05-08-2015, 02:33 PM
Chalk-a-Rama.

:ThmbUp:

FantasticDan
05-26-2015, 11:52 PM
Finger Lakes has cancelled Friday's card due to lack of entries. Presque Isle opened last week, and they always take a hit from that..m

Redbullsnation
05-27-2015, 11:42 PM
Tony Calo is wasting his time over there. I wouldn't be surprised if the track folded altogether :(

FantasticDan
07-02-2015, 12:52 PM
FL's New York Derby, which normally runs as the feature race on a Saturday around this date every year, has been moved to the 6th race on Friday, 7/3.

This change likely has something do with John Velazquez being available that day to ride and sign autographs.. :cool:

http://www.fingerlakesgaming.com/images/FLGR709-15_Velazquez_Web-F2.png

Stillriledup
07-02-2015, 01:33 PM
THE TRIPLE CROWN IS MOVING TO FL!!! :D

Stillriledup
07-07-2015, 04:04 PM
what's with the jockey on the 10 horse in race 7, looked really funny on the horse like he was sitting back on the horse, he looked like such a detriment to the animal if he lets his horse loose he wins, and his leg was flopping at the wire not sure what that was about either

no breathalyzer
07-07-2015, 05:04 PM
don't bet bozo jockeys... he always rides like hes sitting back on the horse

Stillriledup
07-07-2015, 05:36 PM
don't bet bozo jockeys... he always rides like hes sitting back on the horse

Lol

I would question that if I was a judge there, the perception is bad. If all other jocks sit normally on horses and this guy is riding "unusual" just looks like something is "up"

bello
08-05-2015, 09:37 PM
Anything but a chalk fest lately.

Big fields, speed duals late closers. the cheapies have been putting on a great show and the jocks are riding to win in every race.

Make sure you send it in tomorrow as they are entering day 3 of their P5 carryover. Send it in! I want to make some $$$$$$$$$$$$!

thaskalos
08-17-2015, 12:41 AM
I don't know about the pending scratches...but Finger Lakes is featuring an excellent race card tomorrow. The fields might be on the short side...but they look very competitive to me. I have my fingers crossed in anticipation of the late scratches.

BIGTKLO
08-26-2015, 07:45 PM
Mark D. Gearan, Chairman of the NY Gaming Commision, resigns effective immediately. He is also the President of the Hobart and William Smith colleges in the finger lakes region, which is located 7 miles east of the recently approved new casino site in the city of TYRE. NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE.

Stillriledup
08-27-2015, 02:37 PM
As Larry Lederman would say 'its not a battle,....it's a WARRRRR"

Great race at FL today in the 4th.

Stillriledup
08-28-2015, 12:43 PM
don't bet bozo jockeys... he always rides like hes sitting back on the horse

Speaking of bozos what was the guy on the 5 doing on the far turn in the first race today? Was the best strategy to let the 1 inside of you on the far turn?

no breathalyzer
08-28-2015, 01:48 PM
he was out of horse

Stillriledup
08-28-2015, 02:17 PM
he was out of horse

Not for 3rd he wasn't. He had a shot for 3rd, it turned out probably not, but if he makes the 1 go around its a lot closer.

no breathalyzer
08-28-2015, 02:50 PM
Not for 3rd he wasn't. He had a shot for 3rd, it turned out probably not, but if he makes the 1 go around its a lot closer.

well if he wanted 3rd he probably wouldn't of rode the horse like that from the start . if you want to be critical the whole ride sucked

bello
08-28-2015, 02:59 PM
Rohena one of the best and most onest up there. This issue is all horse.

Stillriledup
08-28-2015, 03:03 PM
well if he wanted 3rd he probably wouldn't of rode the horse like that from the start . if you want to be critical the whole ride sucked

He didnt seem to understand he was 20-1.

Good point,

Maximillion
08-30-2015, 11:23 PM
4 maiden races tomorrow and fields may again be a little on the short side- but there is something to grab my interest in almost all of the races there tomorrow.I like the card.
If you dont mind lower level tracks,this may be the one of the better Mondays (non-holiday) i have seen in some time.Nice cards here, Thistledown and Hastings, plus Saratoga .

WP1981
10-05-2015, 05:05 PM
Late pick 4 returns $5 today. Yessir.

Stillriledup
10-05-2015, 05:06 PM
Late pick 4 returns $5 today. Yessir.

:lol:

Everybody wins!!!

thespaah
10-05-2015, 05:39 PM
6 of 9 races won by favorites. Most of those less than even money.
4 exactas paid less than $10 for a $1 wager.
The pick 3 paid three and a quarter.
The 9th race exacta paid.......sitting down? Two dollars and fifteen cents...
Ironically $1.3 million was handled on today's (ahem) race program...
Who ARE these people?

HuggingTheRail
10-05-2015, 07:23 PM
With those prices, they may have set a track record for breakage....

chenoa
10-05-2015, 11:38 PM
Late pick 4 returns $5 today. Yessir.


Geez, that won't even cover a Cheeseburger and Root Beer. :lol: :lol: :lol:

ebcorde
10-06-2015, 07:11 AM
is that pick 5 you can have 3 $3.60 win bets , a $20 horse ,and a $8 horse and it pays $2000 for $1

FantasticDan
10-06-2015, 11:35 AM
Played an $18 P4 ticket there a couple weeks ago, and took it down for $75! Major Finger Lakes score! :jump: :D

chenoa
10-06-2015, 09:44 PM
Tony Calo is no stranger to seeing low payouts, all those years at Bay Meadows calling Russell Baze.

Its the TC curse. :lol: :lol:

BIGTKLO
10-07-2015, 08:19 AM
Blame it on MILLI VANILLI

bello
10-07-2015, 11:21 AM
Tiz the season....meet closing soon. Some Horsemen don't want to manage their low level stock through the harsh winters. Some horsemen pick up NYRA discards for a song and they make fine longer term Finger Lakes types in the upcoming season.

If you follow FL regularly these trends and who does what just come to you and you pounce on it and grind out some serious money. Though there are obvios exceptions, the P4 and P5 horizontals will usually offer decent value with a minimal spread and bigger cold punch on your top numbers. Again, that is if you are an avid follower.

BIGTKLO
10-07-2015, 12:13 PM
The season concludes on December 9th. The CHALKFEST still has lots of life.

BIGTKLO
10-07-2015, 12:15 PM
Played an $18 P4 ticket there a couple weeks ago, and took it down for $75! Major Finger Lakes score! :jump: :D HUGE Finger Lakes, I mean HUGE-AH. That's my Billy Fuccillo for you Dan.

bello
10-14-2015, 02:11 PM
HUGE Finger Lakes, I mean HUGE-AH. That's my Billy Fuccillo for you Dan.

Back to back $100 win horses making up for the favorites

FantasticDan
10-14-2015, 02:11 PM
So much for the chalkfest, it's been BOMBS AWAY so far today at FL :eek: :eek:

Race 2 winner, 92-1
Race 3 winner, 75-1

Stillriledup
10-14-2015, 02:39 PM
So much for the chalkfest, it's been BOMBS AWAY so far today at FL :eek: :eek:

Race 2 winner, 92-1
Race 3 winner, 75-1

Back to normal, you mushed up race 4 :D

bello
10-14-2015, 03:15 PM
Just get the lead in lane 3 today and you jog home.All other lanes quicksand.

no breathalyzer
10-14-2015, 03:49 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: i tried to cash on Saratoga Fields so many times i lost count and gave up.

Rise Over Run
10-19-2015, 05:20 PM
Dinner is on me kids, I hit the pick 5. But no supersizing your value meals, it only paid $17.62 for $.50.

thespaah
10-19-2015, 05:30 PM
Dinner is on me kids, I hit the pick 5. But no supersizing your value meals, it only paid $17.62 for $.50.
Seventeen bucks?!!!!!!
The only solace is it paid 35-1..... :lol:

ebcorde
10-19-2015, 05:33 PM
never again. How do you play the pick 5 hit every race hit, 8 of 9 races, and lose $25? Because I played 1 pick 4 and 1 pick 5. never freaking again. I tried to throw a coup ballons in there, Did $1 tri 's with a ballon on top , just in case and I get 4 $2.60 winners. Just one bomb, Please.

BIGTKLO
10-19-2015, 07:08 PM
It gets very depressing to see the chalk dominate like it does. We had a golden rail today, and every horse that figured was positioned on that part of the track. Our carryover was just shy of 4300, and there was 38K pumped into the pool this afternoon. One day, and I truly hope one day, the pick 5 will get a worthy payout. Today was not that day. I personally, as the announcer, would like to thank all that particiapated.

EMD4ME
10-19-2015, 07:12 PM
It gets very depressing to see the chalk dominate like it does. We had a golden rail today, and every horse that figured was positioned on that part of the track. Our carryover was just shy of 4300, and there was 38K pumped into the pool this afternoon. One day, and I truly hope one day, the pick 5 will get a worthy payout. Today was not that day. I personally, as the announcer, would like to thank all that particiapated.

Wait, I'm sorry, I need to know, is this the Tony Kalo? Like for real?

And I'm sorry if you've made that clear before.

bello
10-19-2015, 07:19 PM
Golden rail is an understatement a those who follow the place take advantage when the track gets like this. Last week it was the 3 path for a day, but sometimes you get this platinum rail. Anything in any other path literally has no shot. Closers will only win from the rail like #1 in the ninth. It really is easy money but of course the prices will be compromised

BIGTKLO
10-19-2015, 07:52 PM
Wait, I'm sorry, I need to know, is this the Tony Kalo? Like for real?

And I'm sorry if you've made that clear before.Yes sir, but my last name is spelled Calo, not that it matters. LOL

Rise Over Run
10-19-2015, 07:57 PM
It gets very depressing to see the chalk dominate like it does. We had a golden rail today, and every horse that figured was positioned on that part of the track. Our carryover was just shy of 4300, and there was 38K pumped into the pool this afternoon. One day, and I truly hope one day, the pick 5 will get a worthy payout. Today was not that day. I personally, as the announcer, would like to thank all that particiapated.
Pretty darn happy with going over to Parx to plow the bomb of the P5 sequence at a $4.40 mutuel in the finale. :lol: :lol: :lol:

EMD4ME
10-19-2015, 07:58 PM
Yes sir, but my last name is spelled Calo, not that it matters. LOL

OMG, I am SOOOO SORRY :blush: :blush: :blush:

Tony, I might've told you before BUT I'll say it again.

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN TheeeeeeeeeeeRRRRRReeeee They Gooooooooo

I love your racecalls.

You create life in a morgue, add spice to eating a cardboard box and are SO good for the game sir.

And now, I will complete a KILLER CROSSOVER to a different thread :lol: :lol:

bello
10-19-2015, 08:02 PM
I never thought Ross Morton could be replaced up at the Lakes, but Tony, I find you to be a master race caller. I have said this before, I wish NYRA would have taken notice when looking for their Durkin replacement.

EMD4ME
10-19-2015, 08:04 PM
I never thought Ross Morton could be replaced up at the Lakes, but Tony, I find you to be a master race caller. I have said this before, I wish NYRA would have taken notice when looking for their Durkin replacement.

I agree :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

Larry's ok but not doing it for me. Too scripted and predictable.

no breathalyzer
10-19-2015, 08:14 PM
I agree as well. top notch race caller, a personal favorite for me

BIGTKLO
10-19-2015, 08:17 PM
Thanks a lot guys. I love horse racing. My dad, who passed away when I was 18, introduced me to this great game. He took me out to Bay Meadows and Golden Gate Fields all the time. I watched John Henry race several times in the Bay Area. I was at Bay Meadows when Tank's Prospect bested Skywalker in the El Camino. It was my thrill and dream to be the announcer in Nor Cal, where I grew up.

thaskalos
10-19-2015, 08:21 PM
Tony Calo is at the very top of the track announcer list, as far as I am concerned...right alongside Peter Berry and Robert Geller. All the rest are many lengths behind.

bello
10-19-2015, 08:25 PM
I mention NYRA, but Western New York is a fantastic area ( except in the winter of course). I lived up there for 6 years in the 70's and never missed a weekend at Finger Lakes. Go back to the days of Warren Vedilago, Rudy Rincon and even Clay Ivey and JJ Healy, If I find myself anywhere near WNY im at the Lakes. Still love the small homey paddock and some of the nicest people ever working at the track.

All the best.

BIGTKLO
10-19-2015, 08:28 PM
Tony Calo is at the very top of the announcer list, as far as I am concerned...right alongside Peter Berry and Robert Geller. All the rest are many lengths behind.I'm a good cheap horse announcer. Ham n' egger to be honest.

thaskalos
10-19-2015, 08:30 PM
I'm a good cheap horse announcer. Ham n' egger to be honest.

If that's the case, sir...then let me assure you that these "ham n' eggs" are the best item on today's menu. :ThmbUp:

no breathalyzer
10-19-2015, 08:31 PM
also RIP Kevin Goemmer, most under rated track announcer of all time

BIGTKLO
10-19-2015, 08:37 PM
also RIP Kevin Goemmer, most under rated track announcer of all timeI agree, thought he was very good.

johnhannibalsmith
10-19-2015, 08:46 PM
Tony Calo is at the very top of the track announcer list, as far as I am concerned...right alongside Peter Berry and Robert Geller. All the rest are many lengths behind.

I like this list tremendously. Throw in some John Imbriale for me now and again and we have the super.

no breathalyzer
10-19-2015, 08:52 PM
I like Larry Collmus one of the best .. but i will say i was disappointed they didn't offer the job to John Imbriale. I really like his calls too

EMD4ME
10-19-2015, 08:52 PM
I like this list tremendously. Throw in some John Imbriale for me now and again and we have the super.

Don't worry. Only 5 or so more weeks till J.I.

I also really like the young guy who filled in at AQU last year and is now the CD announcer. Nice voice. Sharp. Knows when to get excited. Tells a good story.

MONEY
10-19-2015, 10:31 PM
In today's 2nd race Jockey Jason Simpson riding #5 Splendid Charlie showed why he is a 5% rider.
It looks like he couldn't believe that he had the lead and more than enough horse to win the race,
so he started looking for somebody to pass him. In his last of his many peeks to his right rear he
lost control of the horse and the race. He veered from the inside rail to the outside rail and finished 2nd.

http://www.fingerlakesgaming.com/Replays.aspx

Oh, and a little red boarding. I bet $7. on the late P4 and made a profit of 12 cents.

ebcorde
10-19-2015, 11:43 PM
In today's 2nd race Jockey Jason Simpson riding #5 Splendid Charlie showed why he is a 5% rider.
It looks like he couldn't believe that he had the lead and more than enough horse to win the race,
so he started looking for somebody to pass him. In his last of his many peeks to his right rear he
lost control of the horse and the race. He veered from the inside rail to the outside rail and finished 2nd.

http://www.fingerlakesgaming.com/Replays.aspx

Oh, and a little red boarding. I bet $7. on the late P4 and made a profit of 12 cents.


The #5 pace figs were nice I took him over the #1 regardless of the Jock. even though I think class trumps pace, I still bit on pace. oops. 60$ double too.

FantasticDan
10-20-2015, 12:36 PM
The two guys who do the FL handicapping show opened yesterday's show announcing the death of a 29 year old FL Hall of Fame horse, Lordofthemountain, and then discussing his career.

They then went on to talk about this past Saturday's NYS Breeder's Futurity race, which was FL's richest race of the year.

But they neglected to mention there was a fatal breakdown in the race. Sky Devil, a 2yo by Sky Mesa, broke down and was euthanized on track.

It's all well and good to honor an old horse who had a terrific career, but maybe they could also acknowledge a baby that lost his life on the track?

Just thought it wasn't very classy. :ThmbDown:

Edited to add that I'm not blaming the hosts for not bringing it up, for all I know management discourages them from discussing breakdowns. It just rubbed me the wrong way that it wasn't acknowledged.

no breathalyzer
10-20-2015, 01:16 PM
Why was the :2: bet like that in the first race?

BIGTKLO
10-20-2015, 01:46 PM
The two guys who do the FL handicapping show opened yesterday's show announcing the death of a 29 year old FL Hall of Fame horse, Lordofthemountain, and then discussing his career.

They then went on to talk about this past Saturday's NYS Breeder's Futurity race, which was FL's richest race of the year.

But they neglected to mention there was a fatal breakdown in the race. Sky Devil, a 2yo by Sky Mesa, broke down and was euthanized on track.

It's all well and good to honor an old horse who had a terrific career, but maybe they could also acknowledge a baby that lost his life on the track?

Just thought it wasn't very classy. :ThmbDown:

Edited to add that I'm not blaming the hosts for not bringing it up, for all I know management discourages them from discussing breakdowns. It just rubbed me the wrong way that it wasn't acknowledged. Hard to bring that up. It was a very sad day for all of us here on Saturday.

Tom
10-20-2015, 02:25 PM
The two guys who do the FL handicapping show opened yesterday's show announcing the death of a 29 year old FL Hall of Fame horse, Lordofthemountain, and then discussing his career.

I remember this old warrior well.
One of the better horses we ever had.

My bother-in-law is a farrier and he worked on LOTM for many years when he was on the farm. He will be sorry to hear this sad news tonight.

Stillriledup
10-20-2015, 04:05 PM
What was with the jockey on the 5 horse in the 7th? Looks like he did everything in his power to hand the 6 the win. Unless I was seeing things and it was all an optical illusion?

EMD4ME
10-20-2015, 04:22 PM
Tony just gave this thread a shout out as the replay of race 8 was being shown! GOOD MAN AGAIN TONY :) :ThmbUp:

thaskalos
10-20-2015, 04:23 PM
Tony just gave this thread a shout out as the replay of race 8 was being shown! GOOD MAN AGAIN TONY :) :ThmbUp:
What did he say?

FantasticDan
10-20-2015, 04:28 PM
What did he say?I think it was something about a party at Tom's house tonight? :jump: :cool: :jump:

Stillriledup
10-20-2015, 04:41 PM
What did he say?

:lol:

The race hit the wire and they showed the gallop outs than immediately showed a quick replay of the stretch run and he said 'finger lakes chalk fest continues'

Maybe I can get a SUPERFECTAAAAAAAA call in the finale today!!

MJC922
10-20-2015, 07:28 PM
I remember this old warrior well.
One of the better horses we ever had.

My bother-in-law is a farrier and he worked on LOTM for many years when he was on the farm. He will be sorry to hear this sad news tonight.

When I think back to the 90's LOTM comes to mind from time to time. Never saw a horse walk by me with more of a sprinter's build than he had. He was the 'incredible bulk'... cashed many a win bet on him. Testing my memory here so correct me if I'm wrong... I remember one time they sent him two turns and everyone had doubts, he was probably 100 lengths the best on class though and by the time the distance mattered it was long over with.

BIGTKLO
10-20-2015, 08:51 PM
When I think back to the 90's LOTM comes to mind from time to time. Never saw a horse walk by me with more of a sprinter's build than he had. He was the 'incredible bulk'... cashed many a win bet on him. Testing my memory here so correct me if I'm wrong... I remember one time they sent him two turns and everyone had doubts, he was probably 100 lengths the best on class though and by the time the distance mattered it was long over with.
Pan Man mentioned the other day what an equine specimen LOTM was in his day.

BIGTKLO
10-20-2015, 08:53 PM
:lol:

The race hit the wire and they showed the gallop outs than immediately showed a quick replay of the stretch run and he said 'finger lakes chalk fest continues'

Maybe I can get a SUPERFECTAAAAAAAA call in the finale today!!
How about on Thursday

Big Peps
10-21-2015, 07:27 AM
Tony, just wanted to say I think you sell yourself short as a race caller, really like your work.

Only way to make money at finger lakes is to take a lot less horses, single favorites and take a shot or to along the way. Basically asking yourself, who can beat the Englehart's today?

Been playing $10 pick 4/ $25-$50 doubles and doing OK.

Hit the first double yesterday with a $50 double and only two two horses paid $310.

I thought the G wever horse in 1st was way way overbet

Tom
10-21-2015, 07:31 AM
I think it was something about a party at Tom's house tonight? :jump: :cool: :jump:

Where were you guys????
I made cole slaw!

BIGTKLO
10-21-2015, 11:56 AM
Where were you guys????
I made cole slaw! Damn you made cole slaw.

Tom
10-21-2015, 01:24 PM
Just had it for lunch.:p

FantasticDan
10-23-2015, 02:41 PM
Tony just gave this thread a shout out as the replay of race 8 was being shown! GOOD MAN AGAIN TONY :) :ThmbUp:Just gave out another one while giving the tiny payouts for the 5th race: "Finger Lakes chalkfest, on the Friday card.." :cool: :ThmbUp:

Stillriledup
10-23-2015, 02:49 PM
Just gave out another one while giving the tiny payouts for the 5th race: "Finger Lakes chalkfest, on the Friday card.." :cool: :ThmbUp:

Gotta love it!!

Tom
10-24-2015, 07:43 PM
I remember this old warrior well.
One of the better horses we ever had.

My bother-in-law is a farrier and he worked on LOTM for many years when he was on the farm. He will be sorry to hear this sad news tonight.


My brother-in-law made his regular visit to the farm this week.
Toby told him LOM had had a bad week and went peacefully in his sleep.
His owner's brother was electrocuted in Colorado, and the church where they held the funeral was named Lord of the Mountain, which is where the name came from.

no breathalyzer
10-27-2015, 01:15 PM
Sweet call in the first race today.. C'mon Maaaan :lol: Salsa Dog mini bridge jumper finished last

BIGTKLO
10-27-2015, 07:11 PM
Hey Thanks, the horseman here love the C'mon man call.

FantasticDan
11-02-2015, 01:51 PM
When the gates opened in the 3rd race today, Jackie Black (a 3yo filly by Discreet Cat) just stood there flat-footed and didn't move an inch. She was declared a starter, the gate operated properly.

Her last race was on 10/22, the 6th, and guess what? She did the same, but that time she was declared a non starter as it was determined that she was not given a fair start.

Looking at the video for that race, it's hard to tell what happened. Her gate opens but also seems to bounce back a little, causing her to hesitate. Or maybe it was her back end, one of the starting crew motions with his hand and she then comes out in a jog..

Anyway, it's an interesting question whether Jackie Black didn't move today because of what happened last time, or maybe she's just not that interested in racing much these days. She came to FL from AQU in May, and won an allowance. Since then, her efforts have been poor, and she's now in for a bottom tag..

My point is, I think Jackie would like the rest of the year off. See you in the spring, Jackie? :ThmbUp:

thaskalos
11-04-2015, 05:36 AM
Does anyone like Kid Kaos in today's 8th race at Finger Lakes...or am I the only one? :) It looks like an ultra-competitive race...unless the late scratches end up strangling all the value out of it.

FantasticDan
11-04-2015, 04:04 PM
Does anyone like Kid Kaos in today's 8th race at Finger Lakes...or am I the only one? :)He's in tomorrow's 8th race, not today's. Kid Kaos used to be in my virtual stable back in the day.. he was an excellent work horse and showed promise. Unfortunately, his performances in the day never matched his mornings ;)

FantasticDan
11-13-2015, 01:12 PM
The 3rd race today is a $35K allowance restricted to MA breds! A nod to the Suffolk shippers, I presume.. :ThmbUp:

bello
11-13-2015, 03:39 PM
The 3rd race today is a $35K allowance restricted to MA breds! A nod to the Suffolk shippers, I presume.. :ThmbUp:

Breeders fund race and they have no place to race so FL gets the nod.

Next year likely at Brockton Fair

MONEY
12-03-2015, 11:40 PM
On top of a constant stream of chalky winners Finger Lakes is taking extra money out of the payouts.

12/03/15

Race 1 ex. $40.30 at Sam Houston, $40.20 at Finger Lakes.

Race 2 ex. $15.50 at sam Houston, $15.40 at Finger Lakes, the tri. was also shorted .

It goes on & on. Up to an extra 40 cents was taken from some of the payouts.

They also took extra money out of any W/P or S that paid over $15.00.

I can't understand why tracks keep looking for ways to chase the customers away from racing.

bello
12-04-2015, 08:52 AM
On top of a constant stream of chalky winners Finger Lakes is taking extra money out of the payouts.

12/03/15

Race 1 ex. $40.30 at Sam Houston, $40.20 at Finger Lakes.

Race 2 ex. $15.50 at sam Houston, $15.40 at Finger Lakes, the tri. was also shorted .

It goes on & on. Up to an extra 40 cents was taken from some of the payouts.

They also took extra money out of any W/P or S that paid over $15.00.

I can't understand why tracks keep looking for ways to chase the customers away from racing.

NY tracks do not round up to the dime for anything over $10.00. I guess Texas does. Your comments are correct, and it would be better for us all if they would, but few us jurisdictions do. Not a Finger Lakes only issue by any meams

FantasticDan
12-20-2015, 12:08 AM
FL looking to cut 29 racing dates for the 2016 meet:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/96639/finger-lakes-seeks-reduction-in-race-dates

Tom
12-20-2015, 01:08 AM
Lots of jobs at stake thanks to Baby Mario. Must have gotten a hell of a kick back on this one. Sell out have the state for personal gain.

thespaah
12-20-2015, 09:21 AM
Lots of jobs at stake thanks to Baby Mario. Must have gotten a hell of a kick back on this one. Sell out have the state for personal gain.
With the reputation of N.Y. political schemes, it would come as no surprise to find quite a few palms that were greased.
looking at the location of the upstate casino being basically in the middle of nowhere, one has to think "about that one"

Tom
12-20-2015, 09:31 AM
The casino makes no sense whatsoever.
NYS will do anything to claim it created 10,000 jobs, even destroying 100,00 of them to do it.

thespaah
12-20-2015, 11:39 AM
The casino makes no sense whatsoever.
NYS will do anything to claim it created 10,000 jobs, even destroying 100,00 of them to do it.
100k jobs is a bit of an exaggeration, but point taken.
And that little casino, and it is small by standards will not create 10k jobs. No way.
Tyre, NY is just 33 miles from Finger Lakes.....and only 100 miles from Casino Niagara.....
None of this makes a lick of sense.
There's something going on here. And it does't smell to good.
There is a poster who mentioned that Finger Lakes as a racing facility is more or less doomed even without the casino in Tyre....
Who knows.....Small fields. Endless parade of favorites. Short prices such as $4 dime super payoffs.....UGH...

FantasticDan
12-20-2015, 12:23 PM
As an aside, I want to know how FL's handle has been doing year to year since they started slots. They do not release the end of meet handle stats to any publication, as far as I can tell. I even inquired to the writer of the Bloodhorse article I linked (who covers FL stories and gaming in WNY), but he did not respond back.

Tom
12-20-2015, 02:23 PM
There is a poster who mentioned that Finger Lakes as a racing facility is more or less doomed even without the casino in Tyre....
Who knows.....Small fields. Endless parade of favorites. Short prices such as $4 dime super payoffs.....UGH...
And three guesses where all those NY State breds will be showing up?

thespaah
12-20-2015, 06:10 PM
And three guesses where all those NY State breds will be showing up?
There will always be a program for state breds to race with purse bumps.
Doesn't matter. NYRA can write state bred races all day long

Tom
12-20-2015, 06:39 PM
That was my point - just what the inner track needs - even WORSE horses!

FantasticDan
12-21-2015, 05:30 PM
Finger Lakes says its future in jeopardy (http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/96683/finger-lakes-says-its-future-in-jeopardy)

Finger Lakes, located south of Rochester and owned by Buffalo's Delaware North Cos., is looking for the state to guarantee purse payments at the 2013 level in order to compete with the Las Vegas-style casino to be called Lago. The casino will feature real slot machines, unlike the VLTs at Finger Lakes, as well as table games such as poker, which is also banned at Finger Lakes.

Lago is to be located just off the New York Thruway between Rochester and Syracuse in what would be about a half-hour drive from Finger Lakes.

With the statutory changes, "we can survive," Riegle said. "Without it, racing won't have a 2017. There won't be any racing in 2017 and gaming will end shortly after that."

Tom
12-21-2015, 09:44 PM
NYS job creation in action.
What a bunch of total morons in Albany.

MJC922
12-22-2015, 08:38 AM
This amounts to a soft kill. An actual cleaning up of this mess would've been a monumental undertaking.

acorn54
12-25-2015, 08:49 AM
at this stage of the gambling game in nys, very unlikely a bright future, if government doesn't allow private business and its entreprenuers to take control of horseracing and other gaming venues.

BIGTKLO
12-25-2015, 09:20 AM
Lago, is the new casino that is being built about 30 miles from Finger Lakes. They will only have to pay 30% on all slot revenue, and 10% on all table games. As of right now Finger Lakes has to pay 69% to the state. We are trying to get our percentage reduced, and not even to an equal takeout that Lago will be getting. Reduce the takeout a little bit and give Finger Lakes a chance to compete, this doesn't seem like an unreasonable request. Merry Christmas to the PA nation.

thespaah
12-25-2015, 11:50 AM
That was my point - just what the inner track needs - even WORSE horses!
Ahh..Yes. Understood. There are State Breds...Then there are those that frequent Finger Lakes entry box.

Tom
12-25-2015, 12:03 PM
Like NYRA hasn't got a whole lot of crap NYSB horses. They will jut a whole lot more.

FantasticDan
04-18-2016, 09:12 PM
Finger Lakes 2016 is barely underway, and I'm already complaining :p

FL's veteran race camera operator left at the end of last season, and I noticed during the off-season that FL was advertising for the job (along with cooks and custodians etc) on their website.

Judging by the performance of the new operator so far, I think they just hired one of the custodial applicants. The camera is often herky-jerky, and does a poor job of properly following the action, especially in the stretch when it counts the most. The performance is unpolished and amateurish.

I'm sure the operator will improve in time, but in the meantime I'm not enjoying watching these races..

Tom
04-18-2016, 09:34 PM
Probably hard to get anyone good for a lame duck meet.

FantasticDan
04-18-2016, 09:47 PM
Tom, I thought of you when I read this letter from the director of the NYTB.. read the end part about how Delaware North has ignored their requests for a turf course, even after the NYTB had "identified funding" for it. It's really too bad..

http://www.nytbreeders.org/news/2016/04/04/opinion-finger-lakes-is-critical-to-ny/

But it's as you say, unless the purse protections are put in, it's not gonna matter..

Stoleitbreezing
04-18-2016, 09:48 PM
Finger Lakes 2016 is barely underway, and I'm already complaining :p

FL's veteran race camera operator left at the end of last season, and I noticed during the off-season that FL was advertising for the job (along with cooks and custodians etc) on their website.

Judging by the performance of the new operator so far, I think they just hired one of the custodial applicants. The camera is often herky-jerky, and does a poor job of properly following the action, especially in the stretch when it counts the most. The performance is unpolished and amateurish.

I'm sure the operator will improve in time, but in the meantime I'm not enjoying watching these races..

I played a few races today and agree 100%. The operator doesn't seem to know where the zoom toggle is and took many poor angles when they hit the stretch. A blimp shot would be better. Terrible race experience and even worse quality races.

Tom
04-18-2016, 10:49 PM
Tom, I thought of you when I read this letter from the director of the NYTB.. read the end part about how Delaware North has ignored their requests for a turf course, even after the NYTB had "identified funding" for it. It's really too bad..

http://www.nytbreeders.org/news/2016/04/04/opinion-finger-lakes-is-critical-to-ny/

But it's as you say, unless the purse protections are put in, it's not gonna matter..

A lot of suppliers to the track will be in trouble. Thousands of people depend on the business in the area. A turf course would be a great idea, one we have talked about for decades. They would have to move the toteboard to make room, but nothing is impossible.

I think the NY breeding program will be hurt if they no longer have a venue for the 80% of their horses that are less than desirable ( ie, crap).
I hope NYRA likes having to take these horses on.

I don't think Delaware North is rally interested in racing, just the concessions $$$.

Stillriledup
05-10-2016, 02:13 PM
Bombs away to show race 3!

Tom
05-24-2016, 08:07 PM
Tom, I thought of you when I read this letter from the director of the NYTB.. read the end part about how Delaware North has ignored their requests for a turf course, even after the NYTB had "identified funding" for it. It's really too bad..

http://www.nytbreeders.org/news/2016/04/04/opinion-finger-lakes-is-critical-to-ny/

But it's as you say, unless the purse protections are put in, it's not gonna matter..

Dan, TV commercials now airing about the situation. I caught one the other night.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/211890/finger-lakes-horsemen-call-for-support?source=rss

"The situation is disingenuous; and very much David vs. Goliath. Two enormous casino corporations whose own bottom lines are protected will be putting thousands of New York state residents' and families' lives on the line while crushing agribusiness in the state.”

The whole deal under the protection of the Cuomo Crime Family, out to kill jobs and destroy families just so baby-mario can continue his fathers legacy of getting rich while his constituents suffer.

thespaah
05-24-2016, 08:11 PM
Dan, TV commercials now airing about the situation. I caught one the other night.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/211890/finger-lakes-horsemen-call-for-support?source=rss



The whole deal under the protection of the Cuomo Crime Family, out to kill jobs and destroy families just so baby-mario can continue his fathers legacy of getting rich while his constituents suffer.
Two biggest crooks in NY are Cuomo and Deblasio

FantasticDan
07-15-2016, 10:59 AM
I wanted to take a minute to acknowledge the recent loss of two longtime Finger Lakes runners, both of whom were euthanized on track in the last 10 days :(

Sweet Hot Toddy, 9yo M, 75 starts (69 at FL) 13-16-8, earner of $240K.

Futurazo, 10yo G, 85 starts (51 at FL), 17-21-8, earner of $300K.

Thank you for giving everything you had to this sport.

Big Peps
07-15-2016, 03:36 PM
I wanted to take a minute to acknowledge the recent loss of two longtime Finger Lakes runners, both of whom were euthanized on track in the last 10 days :(

Sweet Hot Toddy, 9yo M, 75 starts (69 at FL) 13-16-8, earner of $240K.

Futurazo, 10yo G, 85 starts (51 at FL), 17-21-8, earner of $300K.

Thank you for giving everything you had to this sport.

Big fan of futarazo. Didn't know he passed away.

fiznow
07-15-2016, 07:34 PM
I wanted to take a minute to acknowledge the recent loss of two longtime Finger Lakes runners, both of whom were euthanized on track in the last 10 days :(

Sweet Hot Toddy, 9yo M, 75 starts (69 at FL) 13-16-8, earner of $240K.

Futurazo, 10yo G, 85 starts (51 at FL), 17-21-8, earner of $300K.

Thank you for giving everything you had to this sport.

Very sad news indeed. I was following Futurazo. RIP :(

Big Peps
07-16-2016, 08:55 AM
Very sad news indeed. I was following Futurazo. RIP :(

They really need to look harder into the trainer of record his horses are being vanned off or pulled up at an alarming rate. I follow the action there pretty closely. He's got the right last name though so I highly doubt much will ever come of it. amazing how gifted he is claiming and moving up as well. As Coach K would say " Amazing" It's a shame

Redbullsnation
07-17-2016, 03:21 AM
Two biggest crooks in NY are Cuomo and Deblasio
This...

FantasticDan
09-06-2016, 06:53 PM
Given this thread's title, today's results just had to be posted :D

Final odds of winners today:
Races
1) 0.70
2) 0.90
3) 0.65
4) 0.40
5) 1.65
6) 1.40
7) 0.20
8) 4.30 (0.80 2nd :p )
9) 0.65

Bleahhh :blush: :ThmbDown:

pele polo
09-06-2016, 06:59 PM
Don't see that everyday

Lotta ways one can spin this, I don't play FL, but I'm more inclined to be positive about it.

Small fields
Uncompetitive racing

Or

Clean racing
Formful
A lot of churn

Big Peps
09-06-2016, 07:20 PM
Don't see that everyday

Lotta ways one can spin this, I don't play FL, but I'm more inclined to be positive about it.

Small fields
Uncompetitive racing

Or

Clean racing
Formful
A lot of churn


Didn't look at any the races but I'm sure it was a whole lot of Englehart, Ferraro, and probably a Linda Rice dropper... Sounds about right. Engleharts just beat people up over there, it's a joke.

bello
09-06-2016, 07:20 PM
Been a huge fan since the early 70s and for the first time I added FL to my no bet list.

THIS IS NOT AN ACCUSATION BUT A PERCEPTION

I am simply not comfortable when there families that take part in so many races.

In any given race you can and often do have three Engleharts Chris, Jeremiah and Jeffrey with horses in a race. And on top of that you have them often having uncoupled entries. Add the Ferraros in and it is truly a family affair.

And all five of these guys can train better than most of the rest there. plus they get discards from some top NYRA owners. Very hard to get a price and then when you get sucked in to bet a NYRA shipper at short odds, it will only have three legs and finish last.. This was an awful year for me at FL and I hung up the reins about a month ago. Stopped even looking.

Big Peps
09-06-2016, 07:26 PM
Been a huge fan since the early 70s and for the first time I added FL to my no bet list.

THIS IS NOT AN ACCUSATION BUT A PERCEPTION

I am simply not comfortable when there families that take part in so many races.

In any given race you can and often do have three Engleharts Chris, Jeremiah and Jeffrey with horses in a race. And on top of that you have them often having uncoupled entries. Add the Ferraros in and it is truly a family affair.

And all five of these guys can train better than most of the rest there. plus they get discards from some top NYRA owners. Very hard to get a price and then when you get sucked in to bet a NYRA shipper at short odds, it will only have three legs and finish last.. This was an awful year for me at FL and I hung up the reins about a month ago. Stopped even looking.

You beat me by 30 seconds, it's a freaking joke, and now you have Jeff Englehart over there this year, makes it impossible and not enjoyable to bet. 3/4 of his horses he owns part of himself.. I've seen some crazy stuff over there this year, 75% of the horses are trained or owned by 2 families. Don't see the track being around much longer regardless

thespaah
09-06-2016, 08:40 PM
You beat me by 30 seconds, it's a freaking joke, and now you have Jeff Englehart over there this year, makes it impossible and not enjoyable to bet. 3/4 of his horses he owns part of himself.. I've seen some crazy stuff over there this year, 75% of the horses are trained or owned by 2 families. Don't see the track being around much longer regardless
Yikes.
Englehart, D'Alesandro, Barrow, Ferraro, Anderson....They win everything.
On one race the three Engleharts had three of the six entrants. Fin 1,2,4...
In another race Bruce Anderson fin 1,3 while Paul Barrow fin 2.4...
The thing is there was almost $1 million bet on 9 races today.
I guess there is something for every type of bettor out there..

Big Peps
09-06-2016, 08:46 PM
Yikes.
Englehart, D'Alesandro, Barrow, Ferraro, Anderson....They win everything.
On one race the three Engleharts had three of the six entrants. Fin 1,2,4...
In another race Bruce Anderson fin 1,3 while Paul Barrow fin 2.4...
The thing is there was almost $1 million bet on 9 races today.
I guess there is something for every type of bettor out there..

Typical day, actually surprised that Englehart and Ferraro only won 5 of 9... Would have thought 7 of 9. Paul Barrow has some nicer horses at finger Lakes. Saratoga Giro and crackerjack..

Charlie baker in my opinion is best trainer at the track..but he doesn't race nearly as much at finger lakes as he did a few years ago, which is good for him, he's really done well on NYRA circuit past couple of years. Love his horse, joking that he claimed couple years ago..

FantasticDan
09-10-2016, 04:01 PM
Tony Calo, if you're out there, could you maybe have a word with someone who runs FL's website production of the race day? I have both the website video player and my computer's sound turned up to 100%, and I can still barely hear your race calls (and I am not hard of hearing). Trying to hear Dave Mattice is even more difficult. This has been a problem for a long time, and someone on FL's end needs to pump up the volume.. :ThmbUp:

I know it's not on my end, cuz at 100%, my computer volume blows me out of my chair on other sites.. :eek:

BIGTKLO
09-10-2016, 06:22 PM
Dan, I told them in May. It's a joke. Roberts Communications says everything is fine on their end and my video department leader says everything is fine on our end. I am so annoyed that it has not been rectified and here I am still dealing with it. I truly apologize. I could go off many fronts but I'll just keep it all to myself. Our racing secretary has resigned effective as of the end of the season. Bill Couch has been good for Finger Lakes, but even he has pulled a Roberto Duran.

cmp92
09-10-2016, 06:50 PM
Dan, I told them in May. It's a joke. Roberts Communications says everything is fine on their end and my video department leader says everything is fine on our end. I am so annoyed that it has not been rectified and here I am still dealing with it. I truly apologize. I could go off many fronts but I'll just keep it all to myself. Our racing secretary has resigned effective as of the end of the season. Bill Couch has been good for Finger Lakes, but even he has pulled a Roberto Duran.
Good calls today, I'm hoping to get out to Finger Lakes at least once this year.

BIGTKLO
09-10-2016, 07:04 PM
Thank you very much for the nice words. Today was the most fun I have had on the mic in quite some time. If you make it to the track come to the booth. We had some nice races today. How about D'funnything? He is a racehorse.

FantasticDan
09-10-2016, 08:54 PM
Dan, I told them in May. It's a joke. Roberts Communications says everything is fine on their end and my video department leader says everything is fine on our end. I am so annoyed that it has not been rectified and here I am still dealing with it. I truly apologize. I could go off many fronts but I'll just keep it all to myself. Our racing secretary has resigned effective as of the end of the season. Bill Couch has been good for Finger Lakes, but even he has pulled a Roberto Duran.
Tony, I appreciate getting back to me with that info.. if even you can't convince them to fix it (or even acknowledge it), I guess there's little point in me making a fuss. Maybe I'll try headphones ;)

It has indeed been a frustrating season at the thumb, and that's just from my limited perspective as a fan and occasional bettor. Can't imagine how frustrating it's been for you, and all the other dedicated track employees. I'd say it's likely to get worse before it gets better, but let's just hope the better even happens..

Thanks again for all your efforts and professionalism! :ThmbUp:

BIGTKLO
09-10-2016, 09:23 PM
Dan, I appreciate your support of Finger Lakes and once again I have alerted the head of video about this ongoing issue. It's a shame because Dave Mattice really knows Finger Lakes races and he provides some good info on a daily basis.

BIGTKLO
09-10-2016, 09:26 PM
Horse Races Now or Twin Spires seem to have the volume at a higher level for what is worth, but it's not much. It must be me lol. C'mon Man I have toned down.

chenoa
09-10-2016, 09:32 PM
Horse Races Now or Twin Spires seem to have the volume at a higher level for what is worth, but it's not much. It must be me lol. C'mon Man I have toned down.

Volume for Canadian players watching/playing thru HPI sucks as well. A shame, enjoy your calls very much Tony.

cmp92
09-11-2016, 12:06 AM
Thank you very much for the nice words. Today was the most fun I have had on the mic in quite some time. If you make it to the track come to the booth. We had some nice races today. How about D'funnything? He is a racehorse.
I'll be sure to stop by. Yes, he was great today. Quick question, is there a track rule where jockeys must wear a cap corresponding to the saddle cloth? I haven't seen the number on jockeys' caps elsewhere.

eqitec
09-11-2016, 08:15 AM
You might also try to get something done about the numerous aggressive flies zooming around the paddock room as of 2 Saturday's past.

lamboguy
09-14-2016, 02:37 PM
this place has to be over 50% favorites this year so far, with most of them under even money. i have no idea how to make money on these because most of them are pounded down.

Big Peps
09-15-2016, 07:47 AM
You have to play something like a $25 pick 3 with two singles and take a shot in 1 race with a couple horses it's really the only way I have found. It still never pays all that well.

Yesterday in the last few races had some decent pay outs. The last race yesterday was 7-1 as the Englehart horse was probably the 4th best horse in there but went off 4-5.

lamboguy
09-15-2016, 08:08 AM
its pretty simple, the trainers that have the good exercise riders, give their horses powerpac's and vitamin's and horses that get good blacksmiths are the horses that win.-------- they charge about $60 for day rates with small purses, but they get the job done.

BIGTKLO
09-15-2016, 08:20 AM
this place has to be over 50% favorites this year so far, with most of them under even money. i have no idea how to make money on these because most of them are pounded down.


The pick5 paid over 5K, which was the entire pool.

lamboguy
09-15-2016, 08:27 AM
The pick5 paid over 5K, which was the entire pool.tony, it wasn't long ago that the place was doing $2million a day handles with all the influx of horses they got from other places. it was truly a great meet every year. these days they are carding Massbred races and still they are very challenged putting on a full card every day. the racing secretary deserves more than a gold star for the great job he's done for the place this year, he must have mirrors.

BIGTKLO
09-15-2016, 08:34 AM
Bill is a great guy too bad he has resigned. He can't deal with it anymore and who can blame him.

BIGTKLO
09-15-2016, 08:39 AM
Morale is extremely low.

Big Peps
09-15-2016, 09:10 AM
I think most feel like it's just a matter of time over there and some aren't acknowledging. I say one maybe two more years

Problem with Finger Lakes is in an effort to keep racing going and horses running they have gotten really strict on shipping and that irritates some trainers and owners. Without a turf course, PID will always be an easy ship and certain horses will just run better there. Lakes with their back up against the wall is now just strong arming which irritates people and nobody wins but it's desperation really, I understand

and look I love the track, it's an hour from my house, like the people and support it but it's a dead man walking. Lagos is going to obliterate that place. It's just too bad they couldn't come together with smaller grandstands, turf course, new casino, entertainment, hotel all in one place. Doesn't make sense to me but I'm sure it did $$ wise for somebody

NYRA needs a AAA farm club, just too bad really

lamboguy
09-15-2016, 09:20 AM
Bill is a great guy too bad he has resigned. He can't deal with it anymore and who can blame him.i didn't know that, i am very sorry to hear, he is a great guy.

what people don't understand is that a healthy Finger Lakes is big for downstate racing and the breeding programs. if there isn't another store to race, breeders won't breed as much. i know, i have a horse that couldn't cut the mustard at the bigger tracks and he is at Finger Lakes now. chances are i will have another one there soon. at least the place gives me a chance to get back some of the money i have in those horses so that i can keep going supplying other horses to race at NYRA

Big Peps
09-15-2016, 09:28 AM
i didn't know that, i am very sorry to hear, he is a great guy.

what people don't understand is that a healthy Finger Lakes is big for downstate racing and the breeding programs. if there isn't another store to race, breeders won't breed as much. i know, i have a horse that couldn't cut the mustard at the bigger tracks and he is at Finger Lakes now. chances are i will have another one there soon. at least the place gives me a chance to get back some of the money i have in those horses so that i can keep going supplying other horses to race at NYRA

Agree 100%.

Big Peps
09-15-2016, 05:11 PM
Nice exacta in the 5th today 2 year old maiden race 6-1/14-1. Paid $114. There was some chatter about the first time starter that won.. 2nd had some nice works but failed to break first out never engaged. Made some sense versus a bunch of the others

FantasticDan
09-15-2016, 11:24 PM
what people don't understand is that a healthy Finger Lakes is big for downstate racing and the breeding programs. if there isn't another store to race, breeders won't breed as much. i know, i have a horse that couldn't cut the mustard at the bigger tracks and he is at Finger Lakes now. chances are i will have another one there soon. at least the place gives me a chance to get back some of the money i have in those horses so that i can keep going supplying other horses to race at NYRA
:ThmbUp:

EQAquTZl8lU

Saratoga_Mike
09-16-2016, 10:26 AM
i didn't know that, i am very sorry to hear, he is a great guy.

what people don't understand is that a healthy Finger Lakes is big for downstate racing and the breeding programs. if there isn't another store to race, breeders won't breed as much. i know, i have a horse that couldn't cut the mustard at the bigger tracks and he is at Finger Lakes now. chances are i will have another one there soon. at least the place gives me a chance to get back some of the money i have in those horses so that i can keep going supplying other horses to race at NYRA

Good luck with B&A at FL on Tues.

bello
09-16-2016, 10:34 AM
Thanks Dan,

I went to college in Western NY from 1972 to 1976 and worked there as a salesman from 1976-1978. While at school I would borrow my then girlfriend's and current wife ( yes 40 years she has stayed with this degenerate horseplayer) and go to Finger Lakes. While working in sales I would finish my route up early on Friday and head to "the lakes". Tried to get there in time for Ross Morton to announce the changes and get to what is actually my favorite paddock in the world. You can get so close to the horses in the walking ring you could touch them. Even better, you can smell the horses that were loaded up with lineament ( likely not legal today), see the horses that were sore and patched up, those that were dappled and those with rashes on their skin. and make that part of your handicapping regimen.

Followed the LAKES diligebntly until about a month ago when I had the same sentiments as Lambo above. I am ok with chalk and usually found nuggets to play a few longhots. Follow the usual pro-rail bias and did ok. This year was futile for me and my own paranoia about too many family members racing horses in a race just got the best of me and after 40 years I had to stop.

But you know, come January the anticipation of the LAKES opening will kick in and i'll be back.

I don't know how they can address the small field and lack of horses with so many OHIO, WV, Fort Erie and Presque Isle all competing for the slower horses and the Engleharts getting most of the NYRA discards. I wish I had an answer.

One thing they should do is at least paint the grandstand facade the TV angle and anywhere else the TV has behind the winner circle as well as anywhere else the tv focuses on including the paddock.

Make the visual experience better even for the simulcast players and not so dreary. It actually works. Little Northfield Park did it in Ohio years ago and their handle far outdraws larger tracks.

barahona44
09-16-2016, 11:46 AM
You're right about the visuals of FL,Bello.Not that things have to be slick but it looks like they're using those shoulder held VHS camcorders from the 80's.A little shaky and the whole race always seems to have a dull visual sheen to it.

FantasticDan
09-16-2016, 02:59 PM
I went to college in Western NY from 1972 to 1976 and worked there as a salesman from 1976-1978. While at school I would borrow my then girlfriend's and current wife ( yes 40 years she has stayed with this degenerate horseplayer) and go to Finger Lakes. While working in sales I would finish my route up early on Friday and head to "the lakes". Tried to get there in time for Ross Morton to announce the changes and get to what is actually my favorite paddock in the world. You can get so close to the horses in the walking ring you could touch them. Even better, you can smell the horses that were loaded up with lineament ( likely not legal today), see the horses that were sore and patched up, those that were dappled and those with rashes on their skin. and make that part of your handicapping regimen.This is great stuff, thanks for sharing.. :ThmbUp: :)

The biggest win bet I ever hit was at FL and solely because of a beautiful and dappled physical appearance in the paddock. He was 55/1, and I even had to survive an inquiry.. :eek: :ThmbUp:

FantasticDan
09-16-2016, 03:02 PM
The Saratogian comments on what faces Finger Lakes and NY racing (http://www.saratogian.com/article/ST/20160906/SPORTS/160909825)

Tom
09-16-2016, 03:24 PM
NYS is as backwards as they come.
FL had a Horse rescue barn right on the premises.
How many other tracks have that?

Get ready NYRA, you are going to a lot of NY Breds coming your way.
Everyone ready for $5000 claimers?

Taking the money away from FL and sending it to Baby Mario's new Whore House and Slot Room is ridiculous - politics at its worse. Little Cuomo is a crooked bastard.

Saratoga_Mike
09-16-2016, 04:24 PM
The Saratogian comments on what faces Finger Lakes and NY racing (http://www.saratogian.com/article/ST/20160906/SPORTS/160909825)

I thought the most disturbing part of his article was this:

"The Genting Resorts World Casino at Aqueduct is getting 1,000 new machines that are going to benefit Nassau County Off-Track Betting."

Maybe I knew this at one point, but was this part of a backroom deal to get slots into Aqu a few yrs back? I don't like slots subsides, but if you're going to subsidize a gambling entity (beyond NYRA), make it Finger Lakes, not the leaches at OTB.

bello
09-16-2016, 05:01 PM
[QUOTE=Saratoga_Mike]I thought the most disturbing part of his article was this:

"The Genting Resorts World Casino at Aqueduct is getting 1,000 new machines that are going to benefit Nassau County Off-Track Betting."

Maybe I knew this at one point, but was this part of a backroom deal to get slots into Aqu a few yrs back? I don't like slots subsides, but if you're going to subsidize a gambling entity (beyond NYRA), make it Finger Lakes, not the leaches at OTB.[/QUOTE

Backroom deals....political quid pro quos......all this bullcrap....fixing with the politicos and lining their pockets is worse than any race fixing that will ever go on at any racetrack. It really is pathetic.

This whole slot business smells...always has, always will

Tom
09-17-2016, 09:42 AM
Much of the money that would have gone to FL is now going to Tioga Park.
I guess that is where Baby Mario launders his money.

The whole deal smells.

People are benefiting from this big time, but not those who pay taxes or those who provide jobs.

They get the same end of the stick as Dirty Harry got.

BAU in NY.

no breathalyzer
09-22-2016, 01:15 PM
:ThmbUp: Sweet race call there Tony.. i enjoyed it

thespaah
09-22-2016, 01:57 PM
I thought the most disturbing part of his article was this:

"The Genting Resorts World Casino at Aqueduct is getting 1,000 new machines that are going to benefit Nassau County Off-Track Betting."

Maybe I knew this at one point, but was this part of a backroom deal to get slots into Aqu a few yrs back? I don't like slots subsides, but if you're going to subsidize a gambling entity (beyond NYRA), make it Finger Lakes, not the leaches at OTB.
So....The article states the VLTs will benefit Nassau Downs OTB....But it does not state how or by which process this will occur...
That's leaving the cold cuts out of the sandwich.
This is no way to claim the "gift" is not going to ND OTB...Before I am convinced, I want to see the specifics.
Curious to know where to look for the answers.
If true, teh deal stinks.
The several OTB corps around the state should be self sustaining.
One must assume with the casino nearby to FL, the possible tolling of the bells for the track may be dusted off.
At the end of the day, is the track really worth saving?
Now that Tioga Downs will have a full casino, perhaps Jeff Gural will take some of the profits and expand Tioga to a one mile oval and install turf course. Something FL never had. This way, those horses that are of the FL caliber would simply be moved south and race there.
Just a thought.

Tom
09-22-2016, 10:16 PM
A few weeks ago, FL canceled a Saturday card for lack of entries.
I guess conditions like this one open up the potential population of possible starters? :rolleyes:

CLAIMING. 6 Furlongs Dirt. Purse $7,000. FOR THREE YEAR OLDS AND UPWARD WHICH HAVE NOT WON A RACE SINCE JULY 24, 2016 AND FOR FINGER LAKES TRAINERS STABLED ON THE GROUNDS WHO HAVE NOT STARTED OUT OF STATE.

Big Peps
09-23-2016, 07:42 AM
Clown show over there right now... They act as if PID is a dirt surface and people are shipping in spite

cj
09-23-2016, 10:36 AM
A few weeks ago, FL canceled a Saturday card for lack of entries.
I guess conditions like this one open up the potential population of possible starters? :rolleyes:


That juicy 7k purse will really entice them to not ship!

Tom
09-23-2016, 11:16 AM
7K might get them to East Rochester. :lol:

FantasticDan
11-15-2016, 11:11 AM
Was sad to see that the Jeremiah Englehart trained, Englehart, an unraced 2yo colt by Super Saver out of a Dynaformer mare, who had been working very well at Finger Lakes and NYRA, had to be euthanized after suffering a fracture while training the other day at Belmont.. :( :ThmbDown:

cj
11-16-2016, 05:31 PM
Today was particularly pitiful on the chalkfest front, even for Finger Lakes. They don't even try to card competitive races.

Big Peps
11-17-2016, 10:08 AM
Today was particularly pitiful on the chalkfest front, even for Finger Lakes. They don't even try to card competitive races.

They are limping to the finish line, just trying to get races filled regardless of competition. Not a lot of horses left at this point

lamboguy
11-17-2016, 01:57 PM
i was in the entry box today there, the allowance race had 5 in it and they didn't use the race.

Big Peps
11-18-2016, 07:24 AM
I have 2 year old filly, broke the maiden there going a mile, waiting for any two turn race colts or fillies to go to try and run her once more, none of them went 1 mile colt/ filly or 3/4 filly.. Took her shoes off yesterday and will be on the farm for the winter.. Tried to get her in a race last week at Woodbine but couldn't get all the paperwork together in time ( She's a NY bred but by a Ontario sire) In hindsight I should taken a flyer on the turf with her yesterday at Big A

It's always the case at the end of the Finger Lakes