Harrington gate punchers

[lamboguy]

the management at Harrington has decided to give the gate punchers 6 seconds after the race begins to chose their bets. in my opinion, they might as well give them a minute and 30 seconds because they aren't going to get me to invest 3 cents into their mutual pools. let those guy have a real party, give them all the time they want!

[Stillriledup]

Really? So people are betting after the start?

[wiffleball whizz]

Won't bet this track for a few reasons and the gate punchers are one of the reasons here's the other reason.....

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwur9gG8mv8&feature=youtube_gdata_player


The stiffbag should never have been allowed to drive another horse again....drivers cheat and the gate punchers have a field day

[pandy]

the management at Harrington has decided to give the gate punchers 6 seconds after the race begins to chose their bets. in my opinion, they might as well give them a minute and 30 seconds because they aren't going to get me to invest 3 cents into their mutual pools. let those guy have a real party, give them all the time they want!


If this is true, it's a good opportunity since the track is the most speed favoring track racing right now. But the pools are too small to make a big bet.

[lamboguy]

go to the Red Mile and you can get time on 5 different harness tracks.

i think someplace must have a bell for thoroughbred tracks too,, but i don't know where it is.

[PaceAdvantage]

Some of you live in dreamland. This is the internet though. Show me a shred of evidence.

[wiffleball whizz]

Some of you live in dreamland. This is the internet though. Show me a shred of evidence.

Pace did you watch this video....do u think this was a stiff job?

I'm not sure if there are windows open 6 seconds after bell but the way odds change there I wouldn't doubt it

[traynor]

Pace did you watch this video....do u think this was a stiff job?

I'm not sure if there are windows open 6 seconds after bell but the way odds change there I wouldn't doubt it

The computer app that processes bets locks. Bets made before that lock take awhile to process. That makes it seem as if additional wagers are allowed after the race goes off. A number of computer wagering apps have a feature to determine whether or not a bet should be made based on the odds available shortly before the race goes off. That money is usually dumped in at the very last moment and can dramatically change odds after the race goes off.

[lamboguy]

The computer app that processes bets locks. Bets made before that lock take awhile to process. That makes it seem as if additional wagers are allowed after the race goes off. A number of computer wagering apps have a feature to determine whether or not a bet should be made based on the odds available shortly before the race goes off. That money is usually dumped in at the very last moment and can dramatically change odds after the race goes off.i was invited to go to harington and do some gate punching. i live in Boston and don't feel like traveling that far to be a part of screwing the public.

never mind that bullshit of tote analysis and conditional wagering, that place gives 6 seconds

[baconswitchfarm]

The state employed judges cut off betting at all tracks. Track management has zero say as to when betting stops. If you think people are betting after the bell, file a complaint with that states commission and they will look into it.

[Saratoga_Mike]

i was invited to go to harington and do some gate punching. i live in Boston and don't feel like traveling that far to be a part of screwing the public.

never mind that bullshit of tote analysis and conditional wagering, that place gives 6 seconds

Are you saying if I'm at Harrington, I can play the bell (lock in a bet) and not hit print until 6 seconds into the race and my bet will be accepted?

[wiffleball whizz]

Some of you live in dreamland. This is the internet though. Show me a shred of evidence.

Showed "evidence" on something yesterday on a thread that had 275 posts and the thread vanished into thin air......can't understand it

[baconswitchfarm]

Are you saying if I'm at Harrington, I can play the bell (lock in a bet) and not hit print until 6 seconds into the race and my bet will be accepted?


Yes , that is what he is saying. He is saying track management is committing a crime by ordering it. A state official is risking his job and committing a crime by complying. And now they have all invited him as a guest to come and share the profits of these rico violations and federal crimes. But alas, he doesn't care for travel.

[wiffleball whizz]

Wouldn't bet this track anymore with foodstamps

[traynor]

Yes , that is what he is saying. He is saying track management is committing a crime by ordering it. A state official is risking his job and committing a crime by complying. And now they have all invited him as a guest to come and share the profits of these rico violations and federal crimes. But alas, he doesn't care for travel.

Standard disqualifier: I am not qualified to give, I do not represent myself as being qualified to give, nor do I imply that I am qualified to give, any type of legal advice.

Soliciting money from those with the expectation that a standard set of rules applies to that money--and then selectively altering those rules to the detriment of those putting up the money--is probably going to be considered fraud just about anywhere. If so, it would not be just a "crime." It would be a valid basis for a class action suit by anyone who had wagered there during whatever span of time--both winners and losers--on the assumption that they had suffered material damage by the actions of those "authorizing, facilitating, or involved with" the "gate punching."

Fantasies of being among the "privileged in-crowd" aside, those are some very serious accusations, and should not be made lightly.

[PaceAdvantage]

Showed "evidence" on something yesterday on a thread that had 275 posts and the thread vanished into thin air......can't understand itIt's only temporarily vanished...I have to look into the claims being made further...or do you want me to risk being sued because you have a big mouth with nothing to back it up?

[PaceAdvantage]

i was invited to go to harington and do some gate punching. i live in Boston and don't feel like traveling that far to be a part of screwing the public.

never mind that bullshit of tote analysis and conditional wagering, that place gives 6 secondsCell phones with video capabilities abound these days.

I invite ANYONE involved in this to ANONYMOUSLY send me a video of you putting in a bet six seconds after the race goes off (hell, I'll even give you 4 or 5 seconds...doesn't need to be six).

This would NOT be hard to do...so consider this an open invitation, and I will post it right here for all to see...no names or identities will be revealed...sources shall remain 100% confidential.

[wiffleball whizz]

It's only temporarily vanished...I have to look into the claims being made further...or do you want me to risk being sued because you have a big mouth with nothing to back it up?

No I don't want you or anybody else to get sued I thought the court records were available to public and the news paper articles were freedom of the press....I'd be more interested on how the mutuals departments keep telling people to mind there own business and what access he has like a poster said....

As for Harrington the gate punchers theory makes so much sense can't tell u how many times lineups get crushed from $25 to 17 as soon as gate springs....what's going on here is criminal and why was this driver who I posted on YouTube stiffing a horse only suspended and not criminally prosecuted for fixing a public sporting event or gambling affair however it is worded

[PaceAdvantage]

No dont want you or anybody here getting suedYou're not even a good wiseass....

[wiffleball whizz]

You're not even a good wiseass....

Obviously with post 18 I wasn't trying to be a wiseass....That's a little strong

[baconswitchfarm]

I don't think you will be getting any video. In fact, if this is happening it is costing me lots of money. So here is what I will do. Go to harrington , get us this video proof of people betting five seconds after the start of the races. Pace will put it on here. We will send it to the proper authorities to get it stopped. I will put up a $1000 reward to cover your trouble. This would be costing me this much every week. I anxiously await the evidence.

[wiffleball whizz]

I don't think you will be getting any video. In fact, if this is happening it is costing me lots of money. So here is what I will do. Go to harrington , get us this video proof of people betting five seconds after the start of the races. Pace will put it on here. We will send it to the proper authorities to get it stopped. I will put up a $1000 reward to cover your trouble. This would be costing me this much every week. I anxiously await the evidence.

Either way it's sad as players we even have to worry about this... :bang:

I won't bet this track anymore regardless.....even the race conditions promote cheating and not racing to win

[PaceAdvantage]

Obviously with post 18 I wasn't trying to be a wiseass....That's a little strongYou changed your post after I replied!!! :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Either way it's sad as players we even have to worry about this... :bang:I don't believe it's happening...so it's not all that sad...I say prove it to me.

This is a public forum...enough people see it...make a video...somebody with connections here surely can worm their way in with the elite and show us how it's being done...come on...this isn't DeLorean or Watergate we're talking about here...it's a freakin' harness track...

[Stillriledup]

I don't believe it's happening...so it's not all that sad...I say prove it to me.

This is a public forum...enough people see it...make a video...somebody with connections here surely can worm their way in with the elite and show us how it's being done...come on...this isn't DeLorean or Watergate we're talking about here...it's a freakin' harness track...

Why would someone out themselves and lose their edge if this really is true? That makes absolutely no sense, nobody is making a video, they dont need to prove anything to anyone.

[traynor]

Why would someone out themselves and lose their edge if this really is true? That makes absolutely no sense, nobody is making a video, they dont need to prove anything to anyone.

Even more interesting--if it were true--is the question of why it would be publicly mentioned in the first place.

[Stillriledup]

Even more interesting--if it were true--is the question of why it would be publicly mentioned in the first place.

I could see it being mentioned, people have big mouths and huge egos and they think that their whispers arent going to get into the right (or wrong) ears. Its a situation where they have to tell SOMEONE, ya know, its a story too good to keep.

[baconswitchfarm]

Why would someone out themselves and lose their edge if this really is true? That makes absolutely no sense, nobody is making a video, they dont need to prove anything to anyone.


The author claimed it is true but he is not taking advantage. So he would not be hurting his edge. If everyone is betting six seconds after the start of races there everyone should know. If you believe him go on down and make a video yourself. There are a lot tougher ways to pick up a thousand bucks.

[PaceAdvantage]

Why would someone out themselves and lose their edge if this really is true? That makes absolutely no sense, nobody is making a video, they dont need to prove anything to anyone.Yes, you can't prove fairy tales, now can you?

[wiffleball whizz]

Yes, you can't prove fairy tales, now can you?

Just a disclaimer I'm retired from this Harrington thread....I have no facts to back it up and I hate the track as well

I still want a page advantage shirt however and the photos of your outings are classic.....just horse racing no other bs!!!!!! I love it

[Stillriledup]

Yes, you can't prove fairy tales, now can you?

I would imagine that any horse who left the gate at this place would come plummeting down in price and i havent seen that's the case. Unless the people with the 6 second edge arent gluttons and are only betting 10's and 20s as to not call attention to themselves.

;)

[Mr_Ed]

The stop betting signal is part of the standard protocol established for pari-mutuel wagering, according to Linnell. The signal goes from the host track to other hubs or tote systems handling wagers going into the host track pool. He said a “break” in the communications signals could prevent the stop betting signal from going out.


“That situation can happen, and in very isolated situations it has,” Linnell said.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/free-money-past-post-betting/

[lamboguy]

The stop betting signal is part of the standard protocol established for pari-mutuel wagering, according to Linnell. The signal goes from the host track to other hubs or tote systems handling wagers going into the host track pool. He said a “break” in the communications signals could prevent the stop betting signal from going out.


“That situation can happen, and in very isolated situations it has,” Linnell said.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/free-money-past-post-betting/this one was a one time shot in Tampa, it was a glitch. i am talking about the management at Harrington and Dover knowing full well that they are giving a select few time after the bell.
and how about the 5 or 6 tracks that the Red Mile now has that gives its patron's time after the bell.

[wiffleball whizz]

Gotta have your head examined for betting harness anymore.....per capita nobody loves harness more then me but it's just turn off after turnoff....

I promise the next time I bet either maywood or Harrington I'll insta-delete my account on here....these tracks are corrupt conditions written to make horsemen not want to win and just flat out bad racing....

There's so many other things I can be doing besides betting Harrington raceway...there's so many times when races come back short when the big boys are out of the number is such a joke....I'd rather be pushing shopping carts around Walmart....Harrington raceway is such a joke

[pandy]

Has anyone ever established, as a fact, that bettors can bet Harrington after the race starts?

[wiffleball whizz]

Has anyone ever established, as a fact, that bettors can bet Harrington after the race starts?

Gun to my head I say no there not but the money is always right late there....if a 2-6 lineup is paying $23 on gait and it lines up 2-6 it pays $14 when it comes in....

I can't see a track risking this that has a full blown casino in it...not that the Delaware lottery is anything to write home about as far as gaming commissions go I don't think they would like it if the racing side of the casino is letting late bets fly in....BUT the late money is always right there unless there is a break

[lamboguy]

Has anyone ever established, as a fact, that bettors can bet Harrington after the race starts?i was in Dover 6 months ago and did it myself.

[LottaKash]

I promise the next time I bet either maywood or Harrington ...............Harrington raceway is such a joke

Whizz, I have on this very forum, thru the years and on more than one occasion, stated about how I felt about the above mentioned raceways, and that should also to include Cal-Expo along with those 2....And that is, because for me and they way that I interpret things, they have way too many "MYSTERIOUS OUTCOMES" for me...

Hey, if others are doing ok at those places, I cheer for them....But me, nah, can't stand the racing, the drivers or the outcomes at any of those venues...

But Whizz, as far as quitting harness racing altogether, I personally wont' do that just yet, as there are still quite a few betting opportunities to still take advantage of, at the tracks where I otherwise do well...

There are cetain other tracks as well as the above listed, that have too much hanky-panky going on as well, on an ongoing basis (think years) at that....The driver/trainer colonies are too friendly with each other, and outsiders are not very welcome there, and I perceive insider trading that at many times just doesn't make any sense to me and to my way of handicapping....Hey I am definitely not the greatest horse picker ever, but, when certain horses are overbet, I ususally know/understand/perceive the why(s) of it, and have the choice to play or not, but at some of those aforementioned venues, you get your teeth kicked in when you are not looking....I think they call that being "sucker-punched"....So, since quitting those arenas of action, I have saved "tons" of money since, TONS !!!

[wiffleball whizz]

You are correct Kash cal expo fits right in there with those 2 tracks.....it's basically a year round track exept for June and July and the track is on a segregated island(nobody ships in and nobody ships out.....great recipe for manuevering.....maywood Harrington and cal fixpo is as bad as it gets

[camfella]

what I see,is that if I play online,there is a delay. What we see is the gate formation,and then wagers are locked. I am also prevented from canceling over a certain amount per week. The feeds are delayed on purpose. My question would be,are there large computerized wagerers that see the start in real time? And wager accordingly, and why can they cancel unlimited amounts of wagers? I saw 20k canceled at Mohawk on Thursday,should that be allowed? If I have a 30 second delay and cant cancel or make a wager if a horse breaks,why should anyone else? Lets not forget,that the start is actually when the field hits the "start" line,not when the gate folds(2-5 seconds). The type of thing that really irritates me is wagering on a percieved overlay at 45 second,before start,and have someone that has the ability to cover that overlay,with a much larger wager,that lessens that overlay(if their program picks it up), an unfair advantage. Yes,if I was onsite,I could do the same with a SAMs ,but I cant be in 5 places at the same time.

[baconswitchfarm]

I will up my reward to 2500 for video evidence of people betting six seconds after the start of races at these locations. Provide evidence or quit spreading lies. Some gullible people believe this nonsense.

[Magister Ludi]

I will up my reward to 2500 for video evidence of people betting six seconds after the start of races at these locations. Provide evidence or quit spreading lies. Some gullible people believe this nonsense.

I greatly appreciate you as the voice of reason.

[wiffleball whizz]

I predict in the area of 2am about 5 hours from now PA gonna come on here looking for evidence and none is being produced....this thread may have a life expectancy of about 5 hours and 6 minutes.......just sayin :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Mr_Ed]

Who audits these tote systems?

Who can speak, with confidence, these systems are NOT compromised?

We've already seen what a rogue programmer can do (2002 BC P6).

[wiffleball whizz]

Who audits these tote systems?

Who can speak, with confidence, these systems are NOT compromised?

We've already seen what a rogue programmer can do (2002 BC P6).

And I'm sure it's happened since....exept this time there not being stupid and being hogs about it.....what's wrong with just nit picking pick 4s with huge pools for 2k or 3k.....nobody would even notice....what would it be the difference of a pick 4 paying 2330 or 2300....

[Magister Ludi]

Who audits these tote systems?

Who can speak, with confidence, these systems are NOT compromised?

We've already seen what a rogue programmer can do (2002 BC P6).


"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."

- Bertrand Russell

[Mr_Ed]

Masterminds.....A Day at the Races (2002 Breeders Cup Scandal):

Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTNZrdj2Kbc

Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oik0Ykjo_kg

Part 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELUZixiuUKA

Total.......about 1/2 hour.

[wiffleball whizz]

Masterminds.....A Day at the Races (2002 Breeders Cup Scandal):

Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTNZrdj2Kbc

Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oik0Ykjo_kg

Part 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELUZixiuUKA

Total.......about 1/2 hour.

I've seen this....does this keep showing winning colors derby win? For no reason like it was the pick 6 scandel hahahaha

[PaceAdvantage]

I predict in the area of 2am about 5 hours from now PA gonna come on here looking for evidence and none is being produced....this thread may have a life expectancy of about 5 hours and 6 minutes.......just sayin :lol: :lol: :lol:You're right. You do suck as a handicapper...

[wiffleball whizz]

You're right. You do suck as a handicapper...

I'm the worlds worst!!!!!! Couldn't hit tnrw races Tuesday's results....ice cold

This is the most ferocious wave of 2/3am sweeps I've even seen...nobody is safe this morning :lol: :lol:

[lamboguy]

in today's second race the #5 horse GODDESS'S ROSA got punched at the gate, but i think these guys are sick to bet this thing down to $2.10 even with the stupid rebate of 6% that the people at Harrington give you as long as you bet $100,000 per month there. i wouldn't bet that horse with the bell, even money and 12% rebate. but naturally the gate punchers came down with the money.

[moneyandland]

1) In the 2nd race today the horse was 1/9 before the start, the odds didnt change a bit from the beginning

2) what good is gate punching delay on horse who isn't even leaving????

3) You do know track management has nothing to do with when betting is shut off, it's done by the state's r&w stewards, a judge who shuts betting off by computer at the start with the 2 other judges there

4) Anything that involves a scheme, money and more than 1 person always goes bad quickly because of greed, and a few grand a month aint gonna satisfy 3-4 guys let alone be able to pay off 3 government workers with cushy jobs with benefits and a pension

5) A delay is only good for line up numbers and if so these guys suck bad at gate punching because there was a 6-1 exa line up with a 2/1 shot on top that paid $72, and in the 10th race there was a 1/2 shot on top line up that came in that was the 5th choice exa paying $18 behind the 1/2 fav

6) Harrington is, was and always will be a dump