Early thoughts on Monmouth

[lamboguy]

the have 117 horses running today in their 12 races. so far after 3 races they are handling over $350,000 per race.

TVG is broadcasting on track. they have a lady that is doing paddock inspection of the horses. i can't vouch for her as far as knowing what she is doing yet.

so far it looks like we are in for a great meet on the shore.

[NTamm1215]

the have 117 horses running today in their 12 races. so far after 3 races they are handling over $350,000 per race.

TVG is broadcasting on track. they have a lady that is doing paddock inspection of the horses. i can't vouch for her as far as knowing what she is doing yet.

so far it looks like we are in for a great meet on the shore.

They handled almost 400k per race on opening day 2012 and wound up down 30% handle-wise for the meet. Just a little perspective.

[lamboguy]

i just used the first 3 races which are not supposed to be the heaviest bet races. they seem to have more horses there than last year and that has to help.

[Stillriledup]

Yes, here are some early thoughts.

Im crushing monmouth and taking those profits and handing them to belmont.

Can i please get more overbet Pletcher horses at Monmouth? Especially cheap self owned fillies who wash out and act up before the post?

Thanks Lambo!

[wiffleball whizz]

i just used the first 3 races which are not supposed to be the heaviest bet races. they seem to have more horses there than last year and that has to help.

Yea the first 3 are never the most bet races

Not that it really applies the old freehold mutuals manager told me the 6th race was always the highest wagered race of the card.....people the came early still there people that are getting there late are there...and the early people aren't broke yet Hahahahaha

I can't see how mth will have a good meet with starting in 2 weeks fields with 7 horses littering the card...that's coming

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I can't see how mth will have a good meet with starting in 2 weeks fields with 7 horses littering the card...that's coming

We look forward to seeing if your prediction is correct, Kreskin.

[wiffleball whizz]

We look forward to seeing if your prediction is correct, Kreskin.

I hope it's not...mth should be better then that.....gonna be hard to pull horses from parx and del.......although I saw the mth purses today and they were great!!!!

[ronsmac]

Last yr. Deleware was running , this yr they start a week or two later I believe, So that definitely helped the fields for opening weekend.

[ronsmac]

It looks like the opening day handle was up close to 30% compared to last yr.

[alhattab]

I hope it's not...mth should be better then that.....gonna be hard to pull horses from parx and del.......although I saw the mth purses today and they were great!!!!

According to Mth press release handle was over $ 6 mil today about 30% > PY. Hard to believe. I will say the new bar on the grandstand apron is a great idea- looks great and already had a nice crowd in it. The bar in the picnic area was selling drafts for $2.50. Racing was pretty good all things considered. It was great to be back at what is a wonderful racetrack.

[pandy]

That was a real nice card there today, I made several bets. I hope it continues, good track.

[lamboguy]

Yea the first 3 are never the most bet races

Not that it really applies the old freehold mutuals manager told me the 6th race was always the highest wagered race of the card.....people the came early still there people that are getting there late are there...and the early people aren't broke yet Hahahahaha

I can't see how mth will have a good meet with starting in 2 weeks fields with 7 horses littering the card...that's comingi am hearing that there are a few more outfits that are headed over to the shore in the next few weeks. if anything, they will have larger field sizes than today until labor day.

[Longshot6977]

i am hearing that there are a few more outfits that are headed over to the shore in the next few weeks. if anything, they will have larger field sizes than today until labor day.

And even though it rained most of the day yesterday at MTH and BEL, MTH only had 17 scratches (14.5% of 117 entries) compared to BEL's 35 scratches (29.4% of 119 entries).
How is it possible that BEL has more than twice the scratches? Is it due to different NY and NJ scratch policies? BEL always seem to scratch a lot leaving small fields. Racing was still great at MTH opening day and I'm happy to have hit my $4100 super in the 10th. I wish MTH great success in 2013.

[NTamm1215]

And even though it rained most of the day yesterday at MTH and BEL, MTH only had 17 scratches (14.5% of 117 entries) compared to BEL's 35 scratches (29.4% of 119 entries).
How is it possible that BEL has more than twice the scratches? Is it due to different NY and NJ scratch policies? BEL always seem to scratch a lot leaving small fields. Racing was still great at MTH opening day and I'm happy to have hit my $4100 super in the 10th. I wish MTH great success in 2013.

Belmont took 4x the number of races off the turf. That would seem to account for the difference plus some.

[wiffleball whizz]

Love the camera angle as horses are walking to the 6 furlong chute the nice white construction steno spray paint that says MP very classy,,,,,

[Stillriledup]

And even though it rained most of the day yesterday at MTH and BEL, MTH only had 17 scratches (14.5% of 117 entries) compared to BEL's 35 scratches (29.4% of 119 entries).
How is it possible that BEL has more than twice the scratches? Is it due to different NY and NJ scratch policies? BEL always seem to scratch a lot leaving small fields. Racing was still great at MTH opening day and I'm happy to have hit my $4100 super in the 10th. I wish MTH great success in 2013.

Because Belmont permits horsemen to enter and scratch willy nilly with no regard for the horseplayer.

If i was running that place, there would be many less scratches.

[onefast99]

We look forward to seeing if your prediction is correct, Kreskin.
I'll take a piece of that bet!!!:lol:

[onefast99]

i am hearing that there are a few more outfits that are headed over to the shore in the next few weeks. if anything, they will have larger field sizes than today until labor day.
Last year after the Haskell the place lost its luster. Maybe a free round of mini golf might keep the fans coming back!

[wiffleball whizz]

Last year after the Haskell the place lost its luster. Maybe a free round of mini golf might keep the fans coming back!

After Haskell it's a ghost town and football gets ready to fire up going to mth becomes an afterthought....

Wait till after memorial day weekend it's gonna be 7 horse fields and jersey joe ant 3/5 every race.....then the rail 180ft out on the turf course will mean max 8 horse turf fields......have fun with that

[Shemp Howard]

$3 grandstandadmission/$4 to park?

What's so special????

[ronsmac]

Looks like another good day handle wise at Monmouth, obviously it's only two days in, but not sure why handle is up so much.

[lamboguy]

Looks like another good day handle wise at Monmouth, obviously it's only two days in, but not sure why handle is up so much.i don't understand why, but the handle looks like its way up in Presque Isles as well so far today for their opening day. i just spoke to a friend of mine that is there this evening and he tells me the place is packed.

[Phantombridgejumpe]

I haven't followed the first two days, but Bravo has not been as dominant recently as he was 5-6 years ago. I think the colony has improved some. He does still get bet, and over bet, but I think it creates some opportunities.

How much is admission/parking at the New York tracks? How much is it at Shea or PNC Arts Center? You are seeing a live sporting event, and giving that away for free doesn't strengthen the atmosphere or the product.

If you don't want to pay the fees go to Freehold or Woodbridge and watch the simulcast for free. The answer to what is so special...live, beautiful and powerful animals competing in a sport I love.

Paying $20 for someone's tips or handicapping sheets is much more foolish in my opinion.

[the little guy]

Handle numbers have been great at Belmont ( we were down a little the last three days as the weather finally caught with us, but overall they have been very strong so far this meet ) and these Monmouth numbers are also very promising ( up almost 30% Saturday and about 35% Sunday ).

I guess the game isn't nearly as dead as some people seem to want to believe.

[ronsmac]

i don't understand why, but the handle looks like its way up in Presque Isles as well so far today for their opening day. i just spoke to a friend of mine that is there this evening and he tells me the place is packed.
Why Erie Pa has horse racing is still a mystery to me. I remember going to Commodore on a road trip with my dad when i was a young kid, Now that was minor league racing at it's best. Pa has so many racinos it's ridiculous.

[thaskalos]

Handle numbers have been great at Belmont ( we were down a little the last three days as the weather finally caught with us, but overall they have been very strong so far this meet ) and these Monmouth numbers are also very promising ( up almost 30% Saturday and about 35% Sunday ).

I guess the game isn't nearly as dead as some people seem to want to believe.
Two sparrows don't make a spring...

[wonatthewire1]

After Haskell it's a ghost town and football gets ready to fire up going to mth becomes an afterthought....

Wait till after memorial day weekend it's gonna be 7 horse fields and jersey joe ant 3/5 every race.....then the rail 180ft out on the turf course will mean max 8 horse turf fields......have fun with that


THANK GOD - it is not the only track running in North America!

[wonatthewire1]

Two sparrows don't make a spring...

Two warblers (or more) might!

[the little guy]

Two sparrows don't make a spring...


I guess it's hard when somebody rains on your parade of gloom.

[Maximillion]

i don't understand why, but the handle looks like its way up in Presque Isles as well so far today for their opening day. i just spoke to a friend of mine that is there this evening and he tells me the place is packed.

Good news Lamboguy

Im pretty far from an expert on these things but they do appear to be at least
putting some thought and effort to the racing side of things there and hopefully it works out.

[thaskalos]

I guess it's hard when somebody rains on your parade of gloom.
No...it's just that I'd like to see something a little more substantial, before I start believing in resurrections.

[Valuist]

I'm playing Monmouth and dumping Churchill.

[PaceAdvantage]

Not that it really appliesWhen has that ever stopped you before? :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

No...it's just that I'd like to see something a little more substantial, before I start believing in resurrections.A resurrection presumes something has died in the first place. That never happened...not even close...

[wiffleball whizz]

When has that ever stopped you before? :lol:

Early evening sweeps!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Was very tempted to drive to casino with 14 minutes to post to bet love shack at 3/2.....a very impressive winner at Atl 2 weeks ago figured to be very tough today....

We're the judges sleeping in the booth for the I believe 2nd race today not putting up a inquiry but waiting for objection to dq horse...

And why no inquiry on 11 in the race that was pulled off grass...not sure what race but it was 1/11/10.....may have even been the love shack race

[thaskalos]

A resurrection presumes something has died in the first place. That never happened...not even close...

I beg to differ...

In RELIGION, a resurrection presumes that something has died. In business, a resurrection is synonymous with a revival...or a resurgence. You know...like what Gordon Ramsay does with failing businesses on his TV show Kitchen Nightmares.

Of course...if there was a Gordon Ramsay equivalent in the horse racing industry, then I would be a lot more optimistic about our game's future than I currently am.

[PaceAdvantage]

And why no inquiry on 11 in the race that was pulled off grass...Why no inquiry? Because there wasn't a need for one in the opinion of those whose job it is to do such a thing. It's pretty simple really..

[wiffleball whizz]

Why no inquiry? Because there wasn't a need for one in the opinion of those whose job it is to do such a thing. It's pretty simple really..

Well they did a great job not putting one up from the stretch drive that resulted in a objection that led to a take down.......that's pretty embarrassing if you ask me......

I'm sure judges just love taking down objections with no inquiry's

[ronsmac]

i don't understand why, but the handle looks like its way up in Presque Isles as well so far today for their opening day. i just spoke to a friend of mine that is there this evening and he tells me the place is packed.
I've always found it interesting that Monmouth, Deleware and Philly have similar purse structures, share some of the same horses, yet Monmouth out handles the other two combined.

[Valuist]

I've always found it interesting that Monmouth, Deleware and Philly have similar purse structures, share some of the same horses, yet Monmouth out handles the other two combined.

As for Philly, its probably the insane takeout. Delaware must have issues getting their signal out; I rarely see their races on the monitors. Are they even on HRTV? Like TVG or not, Monmouth has their races on; Del and Prx get little TV coverage.

[Stillriledup]

I've always found it interesting that Monmouth, Deleware and Philly have similar purse structures, share some of the same horses, yet Monmouth out handles the other two combined.

Some of it might have to do with Monmouth being viewed as a 'major league' track, they hosted the BC there at one point.

But, you're right, Parx has slots and should theoretically have better horses and yet, they don't get as much as Mth in handle.

Slot interests would be better off keeping purses at rock bottom levels and taking all the slot money and seeding betting pools with carryovers. Imagine how much handle Parx would get if you had a 50k Pick 4 "carryover" on a daily basis from the slots money that was seeded.

[JustRalph]

I'm playing Monmouth and dumping Churchill.

Very seriously thinking of doing this too. I have actually been playing a little and one of my best tracks has always been CDX. What the hell happen to the stock the last few meets is beyond me.

[wiffleball whizz]

I've always found it interesting that Monmouth, Deleware and Philly have similar purse structures, share some of the same horses, yet Monmouth out handles the other two combined.

Mth does a great job getting there signal out....every track I've ever been to has mth including all casinos.....when I was in woodbine years back mth was the only track they were simulcasting that day

[Longshot6977]

Imagine how much handle Parx would get if you had a 50k Pick 4 "carryover" on a daily basis from the slots money that was seeded.

Or imagine how much more handle PARX would get with a lower takeout.

[Valuist]

Very seriously thinking of doing this too. I have actually been playing a little and one of my best tracks has always been CDX. What the hell happen to the stock the last few meets is beyond me.

The field sizes really have gone down. A lot of horses have gone to Indy Downs. Others to Bel, AP or Mth.

I love those 3 days a week meets. Very easy to stay up to date with charts and replays, if one keeps that stuff.

[pondman]

I've always found it interesting that Monmouth, Deleware and Philly have similar purse structures, share some of the same horses, yet Monmouth out handles the other two combined.

It's been hard to get bets into Delaware from Simulcasts in California. They haven't been consistent. When I've had an interest I had to do an iphone bet through xpressbet, which to me is unappealing because of the delay in signal and an early shutdown of the bet, sometimes as much as 2 minutes. The problem I see at Delaware is an unusually high level of scratches of the horses shipping in from N.Y. I see more quality horses shipping into Monmouth and a slightly higher payout. Monmouth is worth a look for me. Don't play many, but I do look.

[Valuist]

I think we've learned that you can dress a track up all you want with slot money, but that doesn't make the racing better, or more appealing as a betting product.

[wonatthewire1]

As for Philly, its probably the insane takeout. Delaware must have issues getting their signal out; I rarely see their races on the monitors. Are they even on HRTV? Like TVG or not, Monmouth has their races on; Del and Prx get little TV coverage.


I usually pass on DEL races unless on the turf with more than 9 running. Always seems to be small fields with Sheppard or Passaro going off under even odds and winning. Just feels that way.

[cnollfan]

The rail looked very good opening weekend at Monmouth.

[affirmedny]

As for Philly, its probably the insane takeout. Delaware must have issues getting their signal out; I rarely see their races on the monitors. Are they even on HRTV? Like TVG or not, Monmouth has their races on; Del and Prx get little TV coverage.

I had heard a few years ago that all the Pennsylvania signals were FREE to any simulcast venue that wanted to carry them. I don't know if that's still the case.

[Stillriledup]

The rail looked very good opening weekend at Monmouth.

I didnt notice that, it seemed like an even bias, you could close from the back if the pace was too fast. I'll have to look at the replays again, thanks for the headsup.

[thespaah]

Because Belmont permits horsemen to enter and scratch willy nilly with no regard for the horseplayer.

If i was running that place, there would be many less scratches.
On that we agree.
If I were in charge, I would mandate the same rules seen in Standardbred racing.
If a trainer wishes to scratch, they better have a damned good reason.
To my knowledge, Scratches require a vet exam.
I have seen just three reasons for scratched horses.
"Sick" "Veternarian"( injured) or "Judges"....
Never does one see "trainer"..
IMO it is MUCH too easy for a horse to be scratched.
It's as though a trainer can say "oh, it's cloudy. I'm gonna scratch"..Or Shoot, that 3 horse is faster than mine to the quarter. I'm gonna scratch"..Or, it rained last night. My horse doesn't run on the grass well if is rained the week of a race. I'm gonna scratch."....Or, "my horse farted this morning. I'm gonna scratch."...

[PaceAdvantage]

Well they did a great job not putting one up from the stretch drive that resulted in a objection that led to a take down.......that's pretty embarrassing if you ask me......

I'm sure judges just love taking down objections with no inquiry'sBut nobody did ask you... :lol:

I don't see it as embarrassing. They allow objections for a reason.

[wiffleball whizz]

But nobody did ask you... :lol:

I don't see it as embarrassing. They allow objections for a reason.

Your correct nobody asked me!!!! But they got 3 judges and a constant tv with the head on and the pan view......deep stretch u see a horse banging off rail u can't not see that :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[PaceAdvantage]

sigh

[Stillriledup]

On that we agree.
If I were in charge, I would mandate the same rules seen in Standardbred racing.
If a trainer wishes to scratch, they better have a damned good reason.
To my knowledge, Scratches require a vet exam.
I have seen just three reasons for scratched horses.
"Sick" "Veternarian"( injured) or "Judges"....
Never does one see "trainer"..
IMO it is MUCH too easy for a horse to be scratched.
It's as though a trainer can say "oh, it's cloudy. I'm gonna scratch"..Or Shoot, that 3 horse is faster than mine to the quarter. I'm gonna scratch"..Or, it rained last night. My horse doesn't run on the grass well if is rained the week of a race. I'm gonna scratch."....Or, "my horse farted this morning. I'm gonna scratch."...

Its nonsense and just goes to show you that they care much more about their precious owners and trainers than they do about their customers.

[NY BRED]

Yea the first 3 are never the most bet races

I can't see how mth will have a good meet with starting in 2 weeks fields with 7 horses littering the card...that's coming

as a compariosn , you might want to check BHP

[cj]

I seem to remember when I first got into racing, objections were almost always posted before inquiries. Inquiries were the exception rather than the rule. Am I wrong on that?

[therussmeister]

I seem to remember when I first got into racing, objections were almost always posted before inquiries. Inquiries were the exception rather than the rule. Am I wrong on that?
That's how I remember it. Inquiries were very rare, mostly limited to when a horse breaks tardily or falls.

[wiffleball whizz]

I seem to remember when I first got into racing, objections were almost always posted before inquiries. Inquiries were the exception rather than the rule. Am I wrong on that?

Really wow?!?!? Ever since I been watching the last prob 15 years I see the inquiry light went on first then the announcer would say "ladies and gentlemen in addition to the inquiry the jockey on number 7 has also filed a claim of foul against the rider of number 5"......that's usually how I see the scenarios develop....

[Stillriledup]

Really wow?!?!? Ever since I been watching the last prob 15 years I see the inquiry light went on first then the announcer would say "ladies and gentlemen in addition to the inquiry the jockey on number 7 has also filed a claim of foul against the rider of number 5"......that's usually how I see the scenarios develop....

I remember it as the inquiry would always be listed first. I also remember that whenever there was an inquiry, there would be the obligatory objection too. Now, when there's an inquiry, you dont always get that obligatory objection, but you used to get it all the time back in the day.

I also remember that if there was no inquiry, and just an objection, they would rarely make a DQ.

[wiffleball whizz]

I remember it as the inquiry would always be listed first. I also remember that whenever there was an inquiry, there would be the obligatory objection too. Now, when there's an inquiry, you dont always get that obligatory objection, but you used to get it all the time back in the day.

I also remember that if there was no inquiry, and just an objection, they would rarely make a DQ.

Yeah I think it makes the judges look stupid if there is no inquiry then the phone rings and they have to take a look and then see there's a foul.....

And I really can vision an objection first then inquiry but that may have been before my time

[cj]

I remember it as the inquiry would always be listed first. I also remember that whenever there was an inquiry, there would be the obligatory objection too. Now, when there's an inquiry, you dont always get that obligatory objection, but you used to get it all the time back in the day.

I also remember that if there was no inquiry, and just an objection, they would rarely make a DQ.

Yeah, but you just started following a few weeks ago, right?

Seriously, I'm 99% sure the inquiry light was rarely used 30 years ago. Objections were much more common, at least in Maryland. There wasn't simulcasting like there is now.

[Stillriledup]

Yeah, but you just started following a few weeks ago, right?

Seriously, I'm 99% sure the inquiry light was rarely used 30 years ago. Objections were much more common, at least in Maryland. There wasn't simulcasting like there is now.

I dont know anything about Maryland racing pre-simulcast era, maybe they did things different there.

As far as the frequency of the inquiry light, not sure about that either, all i know is that if there was an inquiry, it usually meant a DQ and it usually meant the jock would toss his objection hat in the ring for good measure.

[BIG49010]

Very seriously thinking of doing this too. I have actually been playing a little and one of my best tracks has always been CDX. What the hell happen to the stock the last few meets is beyond me.

The purses are better on the east coast, so trainers like Romans, McPeek, Maker, Calhoun, and Kenneally are running there. Other big east coast trainers like Mott and Pletcher have a fewer and fewer at AP and CD.

Without slots at Arlington and CD it is only going to get worse.

[wonatthewire1]

Really wow?!?!? Ever since I been watching the last prob 15 years I see the inquiry light went on first then the announcer would say "ladies and gentlemen in addition to the inquiry the jockey on number 7 has also filed a claim of foul against the rider of number 5"......that's usually how I see the scenarios develop....


If the announcer is saying "ladies and gentlemen" then you're talking 30 years ago, not 15

[Tom]

Back in the 70s, it was always an OBJECTION at FL.
Sometimes, they would announce that there was also a steward's inquiry.

[thespaah]

I seem to remember when I first got into racing, objections were almost always posted before inquiries. Inquiries were the exception rather than the rule. Am I wrong on that?
Seemed so...Then as I became more experienced in the game, I noticed a balance. I also noticed that objections resulted in far fewer DQ's than Steward's Inquiries.

[thespaah]

Yeah, but you just started following a few weeks ago, right?

Seriously, I'm 99% sure the inquiry light was rarely used 30 years ago. Objections were much more common, at least in Maryland. There wasn't simulcasting like there is now.
In NY where I cut my teeth on racing, the inquiry seemed to be the first posted. Objections....some of the time. Rarely did a claim of foul result in a DQ...

[cj]

Back in the 70s, it was always an OBJECTION at FL.
Sometimes, they would announce that there was also a steward's inquiry.

This is exactly how I remember it, and plenty of OBJECTIONS resulted in DQs.

[wiffleball whizz]

This is exactly how I remember it, and plenty of OBJECTIONS resulted in DQs.

Maybe the cameras help declare inquiries better.....40 years ago was there a camera or a guy in the stewards stand on the turns? That's prob why the objection was first.....

Whatever the case is or isn't Im on a 6-0 run on being taken down and not being put up.....where does all the money go on DQs cuz I never hear winning stories when there is a dq it's like the Money just goes into a black hole :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Yeah I think it makes the judges look stupid if there is no inquiry then the phone rings and they have to take a look and then see there's a foul.....I don't think anyone really cares besides you whether or not the order is objection/inquiry inquiry/objection, as long as justice is done in the end.

[wiffleball whizz]

I don't think anyone really cares besides you whether or not the order is objection/inquiry inquiry/objection, as long as justice is done in the end.

To be honest I don't care.....while on the subject over the last year or so to use a poker term I've seen a lot of slow rolls with disqualifications....the number is flashing or next to it there is a red bulb next to the number and all the sudden the number stops flashing or the bulb goes out and u think u survived the inquiry when 30 seconds later there is a new set of numbers up there....man is that aggravating

[onefast99]

To be honest I don't care.....while on the subject over the last year or so to use a poker term I've seen a lot of slow rolls with disqualifications....the number is flashing or next to it there is a red bulb next to the number and all the sudden the number stops flashing or the bulb goes out and u think u survived the inquiry when 30 seconds later there is a new set of numbers up there....man is that aggravating
Actually I have noticed the new set of numbers go up a lot faster than in the past once the dq's have been sorted out especially at GP and NYRA tracks.

[lamboguy]

about 5 years ago, i bet a horse that my buddy had in Churchill. he was watching the race with a pair of binoculars, i was watching online. i clearly saw his horse get decapitated going into the far turn. Jeff Talley's horse finished second. i immediately was on the phone with him to make sure he claims a trainers foul on the winner. the rider couldn't talk because the neck of his horse whacked him in the mouth and knocked out 3 front teeth and he was in pain. it was the last race of the day and Jeff high tailed it to the stewards and got there in the nick of time. they wound up putting his horse up and he paid $9.00 for win. Jeff had his case money on his horse that day. that was one of the very few trainer's claim of foul that i have ever seen get reversed.

[ronsmac]

the have 117 horses running today in their 12 races. so far after 3 races they are handling over $350,000 per race.

TVG is broadcasting on track. they have a lady that is doing paddock inspection of the horses. i can't vouch for her as far as knowing what she is doing yet.

so far it looks like we are in for a great meet on the shore.
It appears your initial observation of a potential great meet is correct, at least if you judge by total handle. Another big day compared to last yr. Up approx 60% today.

[wiffleball whizz]

It appears your initial observation of a potential great meet is correct, at least if you judge by total handle. Another big day compared to last yr. Up approx 60% today.

Come on guys every track in the country puts on thier efforts to put in big fields during triple crown days.....let's wait till after memorial day weekend....gonna be a meet plagued by short price horses

[Al Gobbi]

Come on guys every track in the country puts on thier efforts to put in big fields during triple crown days.....let's wait till after memorial day weekend....gonna be a meet plagued by short price horses

They only have 10 races tomorrow instead of the usual 11/12. Average field size before scratches and excluding AE's is 7.8.

[ronsmac]

Come on guys every track in the country puts on thier efforts to put in big fields during triple crown days.....let's wait till after memorial day weekend....gonna be a meet plagued by short price horsesThat's true, but it's not like they didn't run Preakness day last yr. The current gains are staggering.

[wiffleball whizz]

That's true, but it's not like they didn't run Preakness day last yr. The current gains are staggering.

There's gotta be a reason....there's no marketing there doing they just getting lucky....in a few weeks mth will be old hat....

Only heard a few calls but good job by harness announcer ken warkentin crossing over and calling some good races.....ken is one of the best and his voices makes the meadowland what it is

[ronsmac]

There's gotta be a reason....there's no marketing there doing they just getting lucky....in a few weeks mth will be old hat....

Only heard a few calls but good job by harness announcer ken warkentin crossing over and calling some good races.....ken is one of the best and his voices makes the meadowland what it is
I'm wondering if it has anything to do with Nyra. Last yr. they had an agreement to show Woodbines races on tv, that probably diverted some handle away from Monmouth. I'm not sure if they have that same agreement this yr.

[wiffleball whizz]

Did they run turf early last year? Sometimes they don't card turf till memorial day weekend....and if they did maybe it rained and they were off turf and went from 11 to 4 horse fields

[ronsmac]

They only have 10 races tomorrow instead of the usual 11/12. Average field size before scratches and excluding AE's is 7.8.
Last yr. the day after preakness they ran 10 races with an avg of 7.2, so it looks like a simliar field size tmrw. Total handle was about 2.5 million, They should surpass that easily based on handle so far. And yes wiffleball I know it's still early.

[alhattab]

Did they run turf early last year? Sometimes they don't card turf till memorial day weekend....and if they did maybe it rained and they were off turf and went from 11 to 4 horse fields

2012 Preakness day they were on the grass. Track fast/ turf firm. About same attendance and on track handle. 98 entries over 12 races. TVG and possibly coordinates post times with NYRA have to be driving this bus. I was too lazy to ever study this but a very educated guess, from looking at handle figures many times, is that a multiple regression analysis of Mth handle would reveal that Mth handle is most closely correlated to proximity to NYRA post over any other independent variable such as purse, race number, field size, etc.

[Bluto Blutarsky]

TVG and possibly coordinates post times with NYRA have to be driving this bus. I was too lazy to ever study this but a very educated guess, from looking at handle figures many times, is that a multiple regression analysis of Mth handle would reveal that Mth handle is most closely correlated to proximity to NYRA post over any other independent variable such as purse, race number, field size, etc.

alhattab- I totally agree with you. It is my understanding that for the first time in a long time, before the meet started, Monmouth and NYRA agreed to separate their respective post times by 15 minutes. It looks like this is allowing bettors the time to wager on both tracks if they so choose. TVG's on track coverage sure seems like an additional driver for the handles seen thus far.

[Not4Love]

IMO....the racing is so bad at some other tracks this year. Churchill, river down @ Beulah and I find Belmont to be very tough. Just my opinion . Enjoying Monmouth so far.

[ronsmac]

IMO....the racing is so bad at some other tracks this year. Churchill, river down @ Beulah and I find Belmont to be very tough. Just my opinion . Enjoying Monmouth so far.
I'm not saying anything new, but racing really does a lot worse than ten or fifteen years ago.

[Al Gobbi]

At least it isn't as bad as it is at Parx today - average field size of 5.5 after scratches.

[RunForTheRoses]

I had some errands to run early in the day today, after finishing I said what the heck lets go to Monmouth, get outside, check out the new changes.
Bad idea.
For those familiar with the area it took me at least an hour and a half to get from the Garden State Parkway to the parking lot. I even took the shortcut via Grant Ave and the back way in. Total clusterf*ck. I guess with the rainy weather yesterday everyone had the same idea about coming out.
Part of the problem was that they now have a parking attendant at the beginning of the lot, wasn't there 10 years ago. Every car entering had to pause to pay snarling the traffic behind. What greedy bastards. They also raised the fee to $4 and this is for the furthest lot.
One of the reasons I went was they were having a Food Truck thing. I was starving, especially after sitting in traffic so long but the lines were so long and they were crossing over, people everywhere a total mess (if it seems I'm exaggerating, I have a long commute to work in NYC during the week, I don't need this on the weekend). I also needed money and the ATM line was a mile long.
I decided to go to the clubhouse which wasn't so bad except I wound up waiting at least 45 minutes for food. Club 3 was pretty empty though.
The Heck with Monmouth, all these fees and they were ill prepared. I've been there on Haskell Day and it wasn't half as bad as today, not even a tenth as bad.

[alhattab]

Roses you gotta use 109 off the Parkway. I couldn't imagine sitting in that mess. The place was packed but betting was not a hassle. if you were a woman and had to piss you were in trouble, and it did smell like Andre the Giant shat in the men's room near the gift shop, but overall I thought it was a great day. Amazing what a difference 1) having lunch before getting there and 2) not having to commute affects the quality of one's day.

[wiffleball whizz]

Roses I died laughing when u said the grant ave entrance.....that's how my father and I went for years.......question on the way there did u see the huge mailbox in the shape of a manatee? Hahahahaha always saw that thing....

Man does it bring back memories for me....getting to mth before the national anthem I used to hate my father for that....sitting dead for a hour and a half!! And then Philly park being the first bet at 12:25!!!

Now I have zero motivation to go there....my dads friend had a owners box there for 30 years and they raised the prices for less dates and he gave up his box.....place is so stupid

[RunForTheRoses]

I actually took Rte 18, just threw in GSP because it is more well known. I will try 109 if I'm coming from the North.
Yeah if I was prepared it would have been a better day. It was really just an off the cuff trip, most of the time it goes well. The Clubhouse, especially Club 3 was quite empty. I do like the place (worked there for 3 years) that is why it was so disappointing.

[RunForTheRoses]

(To Whiff, prior was to alhattab) No, I never noticed the manatee mailbox, I'll look for it next time. For years that was THE shortcut, especially I used to come from the south. Rte 36 has a LOT of shopping traffic now.
For the record, I didn't get there until about 3 3:30. I thought especially since I was levaing late it would be smoother sailing. Maybe there was a bad accident on 36?

[alhattab]

(To Whiff, prior was to alhattab) No, I never noticed the manatee mailbox, I'll look for it next time. For years that was THE shortcut, especially I used to come from the south. Rte 36 has a LOT of shopping traffic now.
For the record, I didn't get there until about 3 3:30. I thought especially since I was levaing late it would be smoother sailing. Maybe there was a bad accident on 36?

It's still there Whiff.

Roses I saw several comments on Facebook about ow bad the traffic was. Sounded brutal. They need to do a better job with these big days. Wh would anyone come back? I will say once inside it seemed like people were happy. It really was a wonderful day to be there.

[wiffleball whizz]

It's still there Whiff.

Roses I saw several comments on Facebook about ow bad the traffic was. Sounded brutal. They need to do a better job with these big days. Wh would anyone come back? I will say once inside it seemed like people were happy. It really was a wonderful day to be there.

Hahahahahahaha the manatee mailbox is classic....

Imagine just imagine for one second if the bottom floor of mth had 15 blackjack tables 5 roulette wheels and 25 poker tables.....the place would be absolutely electric....why can't this governer who I love actually see this...all the Money is going out of state

[Rise Over Run]

and it did smell like Andre the Giant shat in the men's room near the gift shop

I sincerely apologize. My garlic wing and cabbage roll binge I went on last night did not sit well this afternoon, especially after the two Bud drafts. At least I made it all day and tapped out The Snickers Kid in the finale.

[RunForTheRoses]

http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2013/05/food_truck_wars_draws_more_than_31k_to_monmouth_pa rk.html

31K, I belive it, wasn't at AC this year but I can attest that that number is probably correct. It was busier than a Haskell Day.

[RunForTheRoses]

http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2013/05/food_truck_wars_draws_more_than_31k_to_monmouth_pa rk.html

31K, I belive it, wasn't at AC this year but I can attest that that number is probably correct. It was busier than a Haskell Day.

OK, 21K today, that is a lot with poor planning. Attendance has been down the last few years with the OTBs and other competition. They were short staffed.

[Al Gobbi]

OK, 21K today, that is a lot with poor planning. Attendance has been down the last few years with the OTBs and other competition. They were short staffed.

They also didn't make the guarantee on the pick 5 today even though it was promoted on TVG throughout the day.

[wiffleball whizz]

They also didn't make the guarantee on the pick 5 today even though it was promoted on TVG throughout the day.

But don't worry mth is having a great meet with huge fields....these 12 horse fields will continue through labor day....can't wait!!!! A meet filled up
With 14 horse sprints at 6F!!!!!

[onefast99]

Hahahahahahaha the manatee mailbox is classic....

Imagine just imagine for one second if the bottom floor of mth had 15 blackjack tables 5 roulette wheels and 25 poker tables.....the place would be absolutely electric....why can't this governer who I love actually see this...all the Money is going out of state
Once the Gov is done bailing out the Revell for the umpteenth time and then realizes AC really is beyond repair, Gural will be the recipient of slots. Timeframe you ask? About 4 years from now.

[wiffleball whizz]

Once the Gov is done bailing out the Revell for the umpteenth time and then realizes AC really is beyond repair, Gural will be the recipient of slots. Timeframe you ask? About 4 years from now.

Revel is getting ready to take off.....they got all new management in from across the country and gonna have promotions galore....the new day club took in 1.2 million yesterday and smoking on a decent chunk of the casino floor....revel finally getting thier act together will put 2 or 3 casinos out of business

Botgata actually shut down mur mur for about 5 weeks to get it up to date with HQ at revel...very curious tO see how a revved up revel really buries the other casinos

[pandy]

This is the first positive news I've heard, are you sure? I haven't been there yet but it looks beautiful from the photos. My son told me that have one of the top rated restaurants in the country (27 on Zagat).

[thespaah]

Revel is getting ready to take off.....they got all new management in from across the country and gonna have promotions galore....the new day club took in 1.2 million yesterday and smoking on a decent chunk of the casino floor....revel finally getting thier act together will put 2 or 3 casinos out of business

Botgata actually shut down mur mur for about 5 weeks to get it up to date with HQ at revel...very curious tO see how a revved up revel really buries the other casinos
AC continues its downward slide until the city government can hire enough law enforcement to protect the sheep from the wolves.
That's not the only problem. AC casinos are tied with large hotels. Far fewer people are staying overnight because the casinos on PA and Delaware have siphoned off out of state gamblers.

[wiffleball whizz]

This is the first positive news I've heard, are you sure? I haven't been there yet but it looks beautiful from the photos. My son told me that have one of the top rated restaurants in the country (27 on Zagat).

The restaurants are out of this world....pretty much they were all run by winners of iron chefs from food network....the place is really amazing and was so far gone for the last year from place was mismanaged...

They hired all new marketing team added all new restaurants cheaper for the average player and many other things...

The new CEO basically cleaned house and pretty much changed everything exept the name....

One thing is comps are the best in the city poker wise and all comps can be redeemed at a 1/1 basis....

The true story will be told by August....revel ranked 8 out of 12 in table game revenue and 11 out of 12 in slot revenue edging trump plaza out by $1500....the new marketing team is going after the older crowd and knows they are the ones with the money....

I saw u are from Lehigh valley pa....is that otb still there years ago used to go there all the time from Edison nj....I always sat in the bar area in the lounge seats by the wall....it was as good as it gets!!!

[pandy]

Yes, the OTB is still there, not as crowded as it used to be an could use an update but not bad.

[SandyW]

Once the Gov is done bailing out the Revell for the umpteenth time and then realizes AC really is beyond repair, Gural will be the recipient of slots. Timeframe you ask? About 4 years from now.

From your mouth to God's ears, harness lovers the world over owe Jeff Gural big time because without the Meadowlands there is no harness racing. I hope the owners, trainers, and drivers realize this and continue to support him and appreciate what this man has done for harness racing.

[onefast99]

The restaurants are out of this world....pretty much they were all run by winners of iron chefs from food network....the place is really amazing and was so far gone for the last year from place was mismanaged...

They hired all new marketing team added all new restaurants cheaper for the average player and many other things...

The new CEO basically cleaned house and pretty much changed everything exept the name....

One thing is comps are the best in the city poker wise and all comps can be redeemed at a 1/1 basis....

The true story will be told by August....revel ranked 8 out of 12 in table game revenue and 11 out of 12 in slot revenue edging trump plaza out by $1500....the new marketing team is going after the older crowd and knows they are the ones with the money....

I saw u are from Lehigh valley pa....is that otb still there years ago used to go there all the time from Edison nj....I always sat in the bar area in the lounge seats by the wall....it was as good as it gets!!!
I love the way you spin this hotel. Did you know that the state has bailed the hotel out to the tune of millions and that was from the tax incentives as well as the 3 loans NJ gave the ownership? Yes they are out of bk now but they are also in season and if they don't make it now based on the 75 cent per dollar keeper rate which other casinos dont have then this is a mark against Gov Christi. The hotel is also owned by its creditors now. Jeff Hartmann has taken over as the CEO and knows he has to make it work now because there is no more bailouts!

[onefast99]

From your mouth to God's ears, harness lovers the world over owe Jeff Gural big time because without the Meadowlands there is no harness racing. I hope the owners, trainers, and drivers realize this and continue to support him and appreciate what this man has done for harness racing.
I hope the best for him and the Meadowlands. Hopefully he doesn't
have any plans for a miniature golf course!:bang:

[wiffleball whizz]

I love the way you spin this hotel. Did you know that the state has bailed the hotel out to the tune of millions and that was from the tax incentives as well as the 3 loans NJ gave the ownership? Yes they are out of bk now but they are also in season and if they don't make it now based on the 75 cent per dollar keeper rate which other casinos dont have then this is a mark against Gov Christi. The hotel is also owned by its creditors now. Jeff Hartmann has taken over as the CEO and knows he has to make it work now because there is no more bailouts!

U seem pretty knowledgeable about what going on at the big R

[onefast99]

U seem pretty knowledgeable about what going on at the big R
It's all available online.
Morgan Stanley, which invested $1.2 billion, sold out to Revel for $30 million —or 2.5 cents on the dollar. A few days later, Republican Governor Chris Christie and Democrat State Senate President/Ironworkers Union boss agreed to basically the same taxpayer bailout Democrat Governor Corzine set up 16 months ago. One loan for $850 million to be secured by the property. Another for $305 million to be secured by New Jersey taxpayers.

Read more: http://americansforprosperity.org/new-jersey/legislativealerts/022311-nj-bailout-morgan-stanley-revel-casino-atlantic-city-getting-rich-making-dumb-decisions/#ixzz2UmrpFzTe

[Stillriledup]

It's all available online.
Morgan Stanley, which invested $1.2 billion, sold out to Revel for $30 million —or 2.5 cents on the dollar. A few days later, Republican Governor Chris Christie and Democrat State Senate President/Ironworkers Union boss agreed to basically the same taxpayer bailout Democrat Governor Corzine set up 16 months ago. One loan for $850 million to be secured by the property. Another for $305 million to be secured by New Jersey taxpayers.

Read more: http://americansforprosperity.org/new-jersey/legislativealerts/022311-nj-bailout-morgan-stanley-revel-casino-atlantic-city-getting-rich-making-dumb-decisions/#ixzz2UmrpFzTe

Thats funny, when i checked my mailbox recently, i didnt see my bailout check in there. Maybe i have to look harder? :(

[Al Gobbi]

Monmouth needs to stop with theses 3-5 minute drags before each race goes off.

[Stillriledup]

Monmouth needs to stop with theses 3-5 minute drags before each race goes off.

You can cook instant Grits in the time it takes from the official 0 MTP to when they actually run the race. Unless, instant grits cook faster in YOUR kitchen than anywhere else in the grit cooking world! :D

[pandy]

I actually think that significantly increases handle and that's why they do it.

[the little guy]

You can cook instant Grits in the time it takes from the official 0 MTP to when they actually run the race. Unless, instant grits cook faster in YOUR kitchen than anywhere else in the grit cooking world! :D

He's not clever enough to get the joke.

You're right. Monmouth, unless there is an incident, gets there races off very close to post time.

[Stillriledup]

He's not clever enough to get the joke.

You're right. Monmouth, unless there is an incident, gets there races off very close to post time.

Glad you got it!

:D

[Stillriledup]

Someone takes down the 10 cent jackpot pick 6 at Monmouth to the tune of 44k for a dime.

(Or, if you're TVG, 880,000 for 2 dollars!)

[thespaah]

Monmouth needs to stop with theses 3-5 minute drags before each race goes off.
And not allow every possible dime to be squeezed into the pools? Oh, ye of little faith

[thespaah]

You can cook instant Grits in the time it takes from the official 0 MTP to when they actually run the race. Unless, instant grits cook faster in YOUR kitchen than anywhere else in the grit cooking world! :D
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0012600/quotes

http://www.moviesounds.com/vinny/instantg.wav

Vinny Gambini: So, Mr. Tipton, how could it take you five minutes to cook your grits, when it takes the entire grit-eating world twenty minutes?
Mr. Tipton: [a bit panicky] I don't know. I'm a fast cook, I guess.

[Stillriledup]

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0012600/quotes

http://www.moviesounds.com/vinny/instantg.wav

Vinny Gambini: So, Mr. Tipton, how could it take you five minutes to cook your grits, when it takes the entire grit-eating world twenty minutes?
Mr. Tipton: [a bit panicky] I don't know. I'm a fast cook, I guess.

One of my favorite movies of all time.

Are DEEZ magic Grits? :lol:

[thespaah]

One of my favorite movies of all time.

Are DEEZ magic Grits? :lol:
Yessir...It is a classic!...Living in the South, I can definitely relate.
One may think these are 'southern stereotypes'....Uh uh..
I have been in some small towns for work purposes here in the Carolinas. And can tell you with a high degree of certainty that there are small towns just like the one depicted in the movie.

[wiffleball whizz]

Is everybody ready for this 5 horse opener tnrw? I forgot the math but tnrw is 77 horses in 10 races....although at this hour it could be worse then that...I'll do the addition later

[onefast99]

Thats funny, when i checked my mailbox recently, i didnt see my bailout check in there. Maybe i have to look harder? :(
Many of those bailout checks were sent to the "wrong" addresses.:blush:

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Is everybody ready for this 5 horse opener tnrw? I forgot the math but tnrw is 77 horses in 10 races....although at this hour it could be worse then that...I'll do the addition later
When Ben Jr., Eddie Plesa and Kelly Breen tell the Monmouth Racing Office- our horses are ready, make this race "go"- the race is carded. So yes, you have a 5 horse race. That is life at Monmouth Park.
Have you looked at the Hollywood Park card today?

[wiffleball whizz]

When Ben Jr., Eddie Plesa and Kelly Breen tell the Monmouth Racing Office- our horses are ready, make this race "go"- the race is carded. So yes, you have a 5 horse race. That is life at Monmouth Park.
Have you looked at the Hollywood Park card today?

We not talking about Hollywood :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wanna see mth do good had some great times losing my case $67 there back in 2000.....

One of my best memories in racing besides my father having the giacomo exacta for $5 was being at mth me and my father used to get clubhouse seats on the wire I went downstairs to watch a grass race I had my case $43 on the jersey warhorse "juan in a million" he gets beat on wire I'm throwing up taking the walk of shame up the stairs I get upstairs I hear a lot of yelling and screaming turned out my father kept quiet he had the horse singled and never saw willpays of what it was paying that just beat me and hit pick4 for $6200 which he had twice....he threw me 1500.....I almost died...it was better then the $43 I had to win on that 3/2..... :lol: :lol:

Needles to say went went from exit 131 on the garden state parkway to exit 105 after the score it was exit 38(AC) time!!

Always want that place to do good....Haskell day is always a must attend pack house is great times there!!!!

[onefast99]

We not talking about Hollywood :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wanna see mth do good had some great times losing my case $67 there back in 2000.....

One of my best memories in racing besides my father having the giacomo exacta for $5 was being at mth me and my father used to get clubhouse seats on the wire I went downstairs to watch a grass race I had my case $43 on the jersey warhorse "juan in a million" he gets beat on wire I'm throwing up taking the walk of shame up the stairs I get upstairs I hear a lot of yelling and screaming turned out my father kept quiet he had the horse singled and never saw willpays of what it was paying that just beat me and hit pick4 for $6200 which he had twice....he threw me 1500.....I almost died...it was better then the $43 I had to win on that 3/2..... :lol: :lol:

Needles to say went went from exit 131 on the garden state parkway to exit 105 after the score it was exit 38(AC) time!!

Always want that place to do good....Haskell day is always a must attend pack house is great times there!!!!
MP is trying to do what they can. I don't think the present ownership is looking to add anything else at this track(race wise) they need additional revenue streams to stay afloat. Adding water rides and restaurants is a pipe dream, opening OTW's is a must. Most of the present ownership has the wherewithall to get to the next level, but several are locked into the 1980's and will never add anything to the bottom line!
Here is one for you whizz, back in the early 80's a horse named Outer Voyage ran at MP and keystone. He was a dead closer and I followed him like he was a rock star. One of the Lopezs rode him. I'm sure you followed him also. MP always gave us fond memories and I hope that continues!

[wiffleball whizz]

MP is trying to do what they can. I don't think the present ownership is looking to add anything else at this track(race wise) they need additional revenue streams to stay afloat. Adding water rides and restaurants is a pipe dream, opening OTW's is a must. Most of the present ownership has the wherewithall to get to the next level, but several are locked into the 1980's and will never add anything to the bottom line!
Here is one for you whizz, back in the early 80's a horse named Outer Voyage ran at MP and keystone. He was a dead closer and I followed him like he was a rock star. One of the Lopezs rode him. I'm sure you followed him also. MP always gave us fond memories and I hope that continues!

I'm a harness guy but there are a few mth/med horses that were war horses...another jersey reg was davey jones....was capable of paying $50 at anytime

[Stillriledup]

I'm a harness guy but there are a few mth/med horses that were war horses...another jersey reg was davey jones....was capable of paying $50 at anytime

Did you see the race with Fred and Ginger and Sweet Lou last night? :ThmbUp:

[wiffleball whizz]

Did you see the race with Fred and Ginger and Sweet Lou last night? :ThmbUp:

No I was sound asleep....sweet Lou burnt me bad last year in the north American cup then came back with him again in the pace....i woke up meadowlands pace book and my friend sent me a picture of Lou pinella smiling I died of laughter

[Stillriledup]

No I was sound asleep....sweet Lou burnt me bad last year in the north American cup then came back with him again in the pace....i woke up meadowlands pace book and my friend sent me a picture of Lou pinella smiling I died of laughter

wow, that's great!

Go over to www.thebigm.com and on the left side, you can click on the drop down menu "racing" and click on race replays. Than, click "track" and select "meadowlands harness" its the 2nd one from the top and last night, it was race 10. Its worth watching if you like exciting and top notch harness racing!

[wiffleball whizz]

wow, that's great!

Go over to www.thebigm.com and on the left side, you can click on the drop down menu "racing" and click on race replays. Than, click "track" and select "meadowlands harness" its the 2nd one from the top and last night, it was race 10. Its worth watching if you like exciting and top notch harness racing!

Can't pull these races up on my phone but when I get dinner at casino I will def watch it....

Amazing sleeping till 11pm what I miss in the course of the night...basketball racing sports betting etc etc etc....gambling supposed to come before everything including sleep

[Stillriledup]

Can't pull these races up on my phone but when I get dinner at casino I will def watch it....

Amazing sleeping till 11pm what I miss in the course of the night...basketball racing sports betting etc etc etc....gambling supposed to come before everything including sleep

Exactly. Sleeping in will be on my plate tomorrow and tuesday for sure. (unless i have to get up to bet something at Finger Lakes lol)

[wiffleball whizz]

Exactly. Sleeping in will be on my plate tomorrow and tuesday for sure. (unless i have to get up to bet something at Finger Lakes lol)

I should be executed for sleeping on saturday nights,..since I've moved back to nj from ct they haven't been the same.....I desperately need August to get here so I can bet preseason football....

My favorite day of the year used to be Haskell day cuz later that night was the hall of fame nfl game.......me and my friend were only ones yelling at the tv....

I know when people tell me how can I bet preseason football there fraud....I tell them cuz picking regular season is so easy....somebody is covering these games...

[Stillriledup]

I should be executed for sleeping on saturday nights,..since I've moved back to nj from ct they haven't been the same.....I desperately need August to get here so I can bet preseason football....

My favorite day of the year used to be Haskell day cuz later that night was the hall of fame nfl game.......me and my friend were only ones yelling at the tv....

I know when people tell me how can I bet preseason football there fraud....I tell them cuz picking regular season is so easy....somebody is covering these games...

Preseason football? Why not bet WNBA instead?

[onefast99]

I'm a harness guy but there are a few mth/med horses that were war horses...another jersey reg was davey jones....was capable of paying $50 at anytime
The elimination races for the Meadowlands Pace where Trenton Time and Justinpassing beat Niatross and Niatross finished 4th after going off stride then went on to win the Pace. My brothers name was Justin so you know who my money was on!

[thespaah]

The elimination races for the Meadowlands Pace where Trenton Time and Justinpassing beat Niatross and Niatross finished 4th after going off stride then went on to win the Pace. My brothers name was Justin so you know who my money was on!
I'll go ya one better. I was there. And still have the program.

[onefast99]

I'll go ya one better. I was there. And still have the program.
I was there also, one of the best days at the track betting wise!

[thespaah]

I was there also, one of the best days at the track betting wise!
From 1978 thru 1989 I was at every one of them. Always a huge crowd. The one in '78 was contested in a blinding thunderstorm.
The rain started during the post parade. When the starter called the field, the sky opened up. We had to scurry inside the grandstand.

[wiffleball whizz]

Mth entries are out for Friday and Saturday.... :lol:

Friday 10 race card......74 starters

Saturday 11 races 91 starters....a few MTO entries which I didn't count

[Vinman]

When at Monmouth be sure to stop by their new bar on the grandstand main level, facing the track. Its called the Silverbullet Day bar, staffed by two beautiful brunettes, who are most likely twin sisters....and they are friendly to boot. You will not be disappointed : )

Vinman

[wiffleball whizz]

When at Monmouth be sure to stop by their new bar on the grandstand main level, facing the track. Its called the Silverbullet Day bar, staffed by two beautiful brunettes, who are most likely twin sisters....and they are friendly to boot. You will not be disappointed : )

Vinman

May go next week!!

[alhattab]

Mth entries are out for Friday and Saturday.... :lol:

Friday 10 race card......74 starters

Saturday 11 races 91 starters....a few MTO entries which I didn't count

Has anyone heard anything new about the possiblity of Monmouth developing more of a circuit with Parx? The fields at both tracks are not up to par, and I believe there continues to be a threat to reduce the amount of $ the PA horsemen get from the casino take.

Delaware's field sizes seem to be even worse, probably due to better money in Maryland. Maybe that will moderate once Pimlico closes.

[SandyW]

Has anyone heard anything new about the possiblity of Monmouth developing more of a circuit with Parx? The fields at both tracks are not up to par, and I believe there continues to be a threat to reduce the amount of $ the PA horsemen get from the casino take.

Delaware's field sizes seem to be even worse, probably due to better money in Maryland. Maybe that will moderate once Pimlico closes.

If you really want to see small fields, take a look at Hollywood and Golden Gate.

[wiffleball whizz]

Has anyone heard anything new about the possiblity of Monmouth developing more of a circuit with Parx? The fields at both tracks are not up to par, and I believe there continues to be a threat to reduce the amount of $ the PA horsemen get from the casino take.

Delaware's field sizes seem to be even worse, probably due to better money in Maryland. Maybe that will moderate once Pimlico closes.

Didnt hear of that.....but I'd think if parx was gonna do a circuit I'd think they would try and fix the main track at Atlantic city racecourse and do a circuit with them.....I only say that because parx owns Atlantic city...

[alhattab]

Didnt hear of that.....but I'd think if parx was gonna do a circuit I'd think they would try and fix the main track at Atlantic city racecourse and do a circuit with them.....I only say that because parx owns Atlantic city...

Not sure how that would work there's no purse $ for AC

[Phantombridgejumpe]

I was a JDs Buck fan myself.

I was at the Meadowlands for the Its Fritz vs Cam Fella race -- both of them were 3-5 at one point in the betting (5 horse race I think), first time I asked about the concept of 'takeout'

I was there for the Niatross break as well, mostly Herve Fillions fault. I though a horse named Bruce something was in the exacta.

I also saw Abercrombie tie the world record with a time of 1:53 flat.

[wiffleball whizz]

I was a JDs Buck fan myself.

I was at the Meadowlands for the Its Fritz vs Cam Fella race -- both of them were 3-5 at one point in the betting (5 horse race I think), first time I asked about the concept of 'takeout'

I was there for the Niatross break as well, mostly Herve Fillions fault. I though a horse named Bruce something was in the exacta.

I also saw Abercrombie tie the world record with a time of 1:53 flat.

Speaking of niatross was anybody there the day he went over the rail?

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cH_bpBtsrE&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Sent from my iPhone

[Phantombridgejumpe]

I was not there. I saw the elim break and the final win over the entry. I think it was a 4 horse entry including Tyler B and Storm Damage.

Saw some classics there, Sonsam vs Hot Hitter

Beatcha vs Genghis Khan

On The Road Again

Oh, and I was there for the Hambo Dead Heat Match Race.

[thespaah]

I was a JDs Buck fan myself.

I was at the Meadowlands for the Its Fritz vs Cam Fella race -- both of them were 3-5 at one point in the betting (5 horse race I think), first time I asked about the concept of 'takeout'

I was there for the Niatross break as well, mostly Herve Fillions fault. I though a horse named Bruce something was in the exacta.

I also saw Abercrombie tie the world record with a time of 1:53 flat.
I was there for the Cam vs Fritz race as well. My friends made fun of me for betting Fritz. Little did they know I had a pretty sizable bet on Cam as a 'saver'.
They were rolling on the ground when they thought I lost. As I headed to the outdoor window they were like "where are you going". I told them " to cash my winner"...
I had to work the day of the US Pacing Championship when Abercrombie set that WR of 1:53.

[thespaah]

Speaking of niatross was anybody there the day he went over the rail?

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cH_bpBtsrE&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Sent from my iPhone
Battle of Saratoga I believe. Did not make for that one.
It was said Galbraith never had ever used the whip on Niatross before because he never had to. That was believed to be the reason he jumped the hub rail.

[thespaah]

I was not there. I saw the elim break and the final win over the entry. I think it was a 4 horse entry including Tyler B and Storm Damage.

Saw some classics there, Sonsam vs Hot Hitter

Beatcha vs Genghis Khan

On The Road Again

Oh, and I was there for the Hambo Dead Heat Match Race.
Those were great days getting to see the top of the heap in harness racing.

[wiffleball whizz]

Those were great days getting to see the top of the heap in harness racing.

Dumb question......was big time harness racing better then flats back in the niatross days? I hear of nothing but great stories from my father and his friends!!

[thespaah]

Dumb question......was big time harness racing better then flats back in the niatross days? I hear of nothing but great stories from my father and his friends!!
No. But right up there with it.
Back then we had Forego still getting it done. John Henry, Spectacular Bid and a few others.
It was a horse racing smorgasbord.

[Valuist]

Dumb question......was big time harness racing better then flats back in the niatross days? I hear of nothing but great stories from my father and his friends!!

I would say it was never on the level of thoroughbreds but at least they weren't on life support in the 80s. If you pulled the life support plug (aka the thoroughbred simulcasts) now, they'd be DOA.

[affirmedny]

I was there for the Cam vs Fritz race as well. My friends made fun of me for betting Fritz. Little did they know I had a pretty sizable bet on Cam as a 'saver'.
They were rolling on the ground when they thought I lost. As I headed to the outdoor window they were like "where are you going". I told them " to cash my winner"...
I had to work the day of the US Pacing Championship when Abercrombie set that WR of 1:53.

Gagliardi ran second on a bomb as I recall. I'm pretty sure I had the exacta but my memory's a little fuzzy.

[wiffleball whizz]

Just sounds like the track was the place to be on sat nights back in the day....plus if you were at the harness races you were up close to the action on a half mile track....at flats u can't see what's going on in backstretch

Man old school harness looked awesome!!!!

[affirmedny]

found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcOSEJG73qM

[wiffleball whizz]

found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcOSEJG73qM

Nice post with that video!!!! How sharp did durkin sound...that's why he's one of the best ever!!

Found a cool profile on the durk on wiki..... Great quotes put into words....this was a good read

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Durkin

[thespaah]

Just sounds like the track was the place to be on sat nights back in the day....plus if you were at the harness races you were up close to the action on a half mile track....at flats u can't see what's going on in backstretch

Man old school harness looked awesome!!!!
Meadowlands on a Saturday night after mid April, at least 20k in the house.
It was a blast.

[thespaah]

I was a JDs Buck fan myself.

I was at the Meadowlands for the Its Fritz vs Cam Fella race -- both of them were 3-5 at one point in the betting (5 horse race I think), first time I asked about the concept of 'takeout'

I was there for the Niatross break as well, mostly Herve Fillions fault. I though a horse named Bruce something was in the exacta.

I also saw Abercrombie tie the world record with a time of 1:53 flat.
yer not gonna believe this..
I just fond this photo.
I took this during the post parade of the 1982 Monticello OTB Classic.
This is Cam Fella..

[thespaah]

found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcOSEJG73qM
It's Fritz just spat out the bit.
However, after an easy 58 and a piece half mile, Crowe had a reserve tank of Nitrous Oxide. Cam Fella may not have been the fastest pacer, but he was tough as they come. I bet that of that horse could talk he would just curse like a truck driver if he got passed.

[Stillriledup]

It's Fritz just spat out the bit.
However, after an easy 58 and a piece half mile, Crowe had a reserve tank of Nitrous Oxide. Cam Fella may not have been the fastest pacer, but he was tough as they come. I bet that of that horse could talk he would just curse like a truck driver if he got passed.

Boomer Drummond, Glen Almahurst and Mr Dalrae, with Tom Durkin at the Mic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afqasn9Kpnc

Not sure why Eddie Davis put the whip away late, he seemed to stop driving this horse on the wire, he was really working the lines in the lane, seemed overconfident at the end.

Also, take a look at 3:15 on the video, notice the outside horses way off the gate at the start (they show a still pic superimposed underneath the prices) you dont see that in today's game.

[Longshot6977]

I'll try to get this thread back on track. Today, yes, during Storm Andrea, a friend and I are going to Monmouth in the heavy rains. We had it planned since last week so nothing will stop us. (insert joke here) I got my cooler packed and of course a towel. Cigars all ready as well as the form. The picks are all done last nite. Just have to make last minute adjustments when I get there depending on how the track plays out. Should be interesting. I guess we'll sit at the picnic tables at the end of the building under the overhead roof by the eighth pole. I'll check out their new bar by the apron and the 2 babes(per a previous post). Good luck to all who are betting anywhere today.

[pandy]

They probably sealed the track, which usually means speed bias. Good luck. I've had some of my best days on off tracks.

[alhattab]

They probably sealed the track, which usually means speed bias. Good luck. I've had some of my best days on off tracks.

A wet track there- definitely speed and also the rail can be real good. Sometimes you can catch a closer but they have to come up the inside. Tomorrow the bias will be even more pronounced. Lately when that track is drying out the rail bias is severe, even in recent past years when the old Monmouth speed bias seemed to ebb.

Longshot- I will be there today also, probably out near the new bar around the 16th pole.

As for all this harness stuff, it brings back great memories. I was going to quiz who ran 2d in the Cam/Fritz race, but AffirmedNY beat me to it. If I recall race was held on a Monday for some reason, and all the rage was how "dead" the track was. I was weaned on these early 80s harness days, growing up in N. Jersey and in my formative handicapping years. I used to tape the replay show from midnight and watched before going to school (in 7th and 8th grade). All these names everyone is mentioning are great. The Beatcha/Genghis Khan thing was great (remember when going 1:25 to 3/4 and a 1:53 mile was a big deal?). How about Midas Almahurst with the lefty Lew Williams (and also wore no pacing hobbles), Willow Wiper, Skip by Night (more a 1/2 mile horse but came over for the World Cup and other big events). I was partial to the $40k claimer they ran on Thursday nights which featured some real toughies including Kawartha Shady (Waples in the bike I believe). Here is the 1982 World Cup final.

http://youtu.be/nE8ZRvut5G4

[Phantombridgejumpe]

I think I had a Happy Motoring. Tiajuna Taxi exacta in
the big Moni race one year and they ran 1st and 3rd. I think
another 'Happy' horse ran 2nd.

Harness was (and still is) bigger than T-Breds at the
Big M because of quality horses and drivers.

The purse money on the big races was insane -- the Woodrow Wilson for
2 year olds was worth $2M some years.

The upper level was mostly the restaurant and reserved seats, and the
Restaurant up top, Pegasus, was always hopping.

Every 20-25 minutes was an event (very little simulcasting - sometimes none).

Campbell and O'Donnell were masters of the track until
Lachance and Jackie Mo had their runs. Of course Sears is
excellent as well.

[onefast99]

A wet track there- definitely speed and also the rail can be real good. Sometimes you can catch a closer but they have to come up the inside. Tomorrow the bias will be even more pronounced. Lately when that track is drying out the rail bias is severe, even in recent past years when the old Monmouth speed bias seemed to ebb.

Longshot- I will be there today also, probably out near the new bar around the 16th pole.

As for all this harness stuff, it brings back great memories. I was going to quiz who ran 2d in the Cam/Fritz race, but AffirmedNY beat me to it. If I recall race was held on a Monday for some reason, and all the rage was how "dead" the track was. I was weaned on these early 80s harness days, growing up in N. Jersey and in my formative handicapping years. I used to tape the replay show from midnight and watched before going to school (in 7th and 8th grade). All these names everyone is mentioning are great. The Beatcha/Genghis Khan thing was great (remember when going 1:25 to 3/4 and a 1:53 mile was a big deal?). How about Midas Almahurst with the lefty Lew Williams (and also wore no pacing hobbles), Willow Wiper, Skip by Night (more a 1/2 mile horse but came over for the World Cup and other big events). I was partial to the $40k claimer they ran on Thursday nights which featured some real toughies including Kawartha Shady (Waples in the bike I believe). Here is the 1982 World Cup final.

http://youtu.be/nE8ZRvut5G4
I still have my "I like Cam fella" button my brother got an "I like its Fritz" button. I always wondered why they ran that race on Monday.

[SandyW]

yer not gonna believe this..
I just fond this photo.
I took this during the post parade of the 1982 Monticello OTB Classic.
This is Cam Fella..

Nice picture, those were the days my friend, we thought they would never end!!:)

[SandyW]

They probably sealed the track, which usually means speed bias. Good luck. I've had some of my best days on off tracks.

The greatest track in the world for picking winners the day after rain.:)

[thespaah]

Nice picture, those were the days my friend, we thought they would never end!!:)
I have lots more photos from the mid 80's. Both Harness and Thoroughbred

[lamboguy]

i have been watching the win pools today between Belmont, Churchill and Monmouth. Belmont is doing the most anywhere from $125k-$190K per race. Monmouth is up to $150k per race and Churchill hasn't hit $100k yet.

[Longshot6977]

I can't find the other thread I wanted to post this on, but since it's Monmouth, this one will do.

Monmouth Park will raise all non-stakes purses on the William Hill Haskell Invitational (gr. I) program by 20%, officials said June 26.

With 14 races expected on the July 28 program, including the addition of the Monmouth Cup (gr. II) to the card, Haskell day will once again be the richest day of Thoroughbred racing in the Garden State.

"This increase, coupled with the five graded stakes already on the card, should make Haskell day one of the most competitive and memorable in recent years," said Mike Dempsey, racing secretary at Monmouth.

In addition to the purse enhancement, Monmouth has increased its guaranteed purse payout for all runners on Haskell day. Non-stakes participants will be guaranteed $1,500, while all stakes runners will be guaranteed a minimum of $4,000 for starting.



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/79080/monmouth-to-boost-haskell-day-purses-20?source=rss#ixzz2XRjrwbjX

[magwell]

How about if it said Haskell day takeout cut 20% on all bets.......:rolleyes:

[thespaah]

How about if it said Haskell day takeout cut 20% on all bets.......:rolleyes:
Would large money players attack the card with both fists?

[magwell]

Would large money players attack the card with both fists? Belmont wouldn't get any action from me on that day.... I wonder how big the handle would be on that card if they did it for real ?

[onefast99]

I can't find the other thread I wanted to post this on, but since it's Monmouth, this one will do.

Monmouth Park will raise all non-stakes purses on the William Hill Haskell Invitational (gr. I) program by 20%, officials said June 26.

With 14 races expected on the July 28 program, including the addition of the Monmouth Cup (gr. II) to the card, Haskell day will once again be the richest day of Thoroughbred racing in the Garden State.

"This increase, coupled with the five graded stakes already on the card, should make Haskell day one of the most competitive and memorable in recent years," said Mike Dempsey, racing secretary at Monmouth.

In addition to the purse enhancement, Monmouth has increased its guaranteed purse payout for all runners on Haskell day. Non-stakes participants will be guaranteed $1,500, while all stakes runners will be guaranteed a minimum of $4,000 for starting.



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/79080/monmouth-to-boost-haskell-day-purses-20?source=rss#ixzz2XRjrwbjX
That sounds great and Haskell Day is huge but that is the last day MP has any shine left on its rusty armour.

[andtheyreoff]

Belmont wouldn't get any action from me on that day.... I wonder how big the handle would be on that card if they did it for real ?

Belmont wouldn't get any handle from anyone on that day.

[magwell]

Belmont wouldn't get any handle from anyone on that day. Your right its July 28 .... Saratoga wouldn't get my action either ....;)

[Al Gobbi]

Going through the totes today and notice not a single race today (10 races) at Monmouth had a win pool of over $90k. It did rain at the end of the card but for the fact that Belmont didn't start until 3pm, that to me doesn't look good.

[alhattab]

Going through the totes today and notice not a single race today (10 races) at Monmouth had a win pool of over $90k. It did rain at the end of the card but for the fact that Belmont didn't start until 3pm, that to me doesn't look good.

Total handle same day last year was approx. $3.85 million v. $3.25 million or so yesterday, so a decline of about $660k. Roughly 17%. A large chunk of the difference was in the last 3 races which included one off the turfer with no tri or super. Weather was pretty crummy here especially in the afternoon vs cloudy, fast and firm last year same date. More concerning to me is that field size appears, anecdotally, to be shrinking- check out this weekend's cards with only 10 races today (the stake didn't fill).

[wiffleball whizz]

http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2013/07/monmouth_park_racetrack_teller_accused_of_groping_ several_women.html#incart_river_default

People can't be this stupid with cameras around

[cj]

http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2013/07/monmouth_park_racetrack_teller_accused_of_groping_ several_women.html#incart_river_default

People can't be this stupid with cameras around

That guy looks like the poster child for sex offenders.

[OCF]

Are you talking to yourself again cj?

[Vinman]

Any thoughts on the $43.20 J. Willard Thompson horse that aired like Kelso in the Sunday finale following a pair of last place MTH finishes at the same $5,000 claiming level as Sunday's win. In each of those losing races the horse was dead last the entire trip....never headed another horse. Then JW runs him in a 20-18k on the turf....nothing doing. Then he puts up Mr. Saez and the horse jogs from post 1 as one of two "bombs" alive for the entire 16k Jersey Shore 6 pool.

The Thorograph "Ask the Experts" discussion board is all over this one. See the comments under "A new shooter". JWT...a perrenial 3 to 5 pct trainer in recent years, is currently winning at a 30 pct clip at Mth.

Maybe he found a better hay & oats supplier? :)

Vinman

[wiffleball whizz]

Any thoughts on the $43.20 J. Willard Thompson horse that aired like Kelso in the Sunday finale following a pair of last place MTH finishes at the same $5,000 claiming level as Sunday's win. In each of those losing races the horse was dead last the entire trip....never headed another horse. Then JW runs him in a 20-18k on the turf....nothing doing. Then he puts up Mr. Saez and the horse jogs from post 1 as one of two "bombs" alive for the entire 16k Jersey Shore 6 pool.

The Thorograph "Ask the Experts" discussion board is all over this one. See the comments under "A new shooter". JWT...a perrenial 3 to 5 pct trainer in recent years, is currently winning at a 30 pct clip at Mth.

Maybe he found a better hay & oats supplier? :)

Vinman


Looks that way :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[Longshot6977]

http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2013/07/monmouth_park_racetrack_teller_accused_of_groping_ several_women.html#incart_river_default

People can't be this stupid with cameras around

Well I won't be keeping my vouchers/tickets in my front pocket any longer.:lol:

[cj]

Any thoughts on the $43.20 J. Willard Thompson horse that aired like Kelso in the Sunday finale following a pair of last place MTH finishes at the same $5,000 claiming level as Sunday's win. In each of those losing races the horse was dead last the entire trip....never headed another horse. Then JW runs him in a 20-18k on the turf....nothing doing. Then he puts up Mr. Saez and the horse jogs from post 1 as one of two "bombs" alive for the entire 16k Jersey Shore 6 pool.

The Thorograph "Ask the Experts" discussion board is all over this one. See the comments under "A new shooter". JWT...a perrenial 3 to 5 pct trainer in recent years, is currently winning at a 30 pct clip at Mth.

Maybe he found a better hay & oats supplier? :)

Vinman

There is a whole thread about him here too...

www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104217

[wiffleball whizz]

http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2013/07/monmouth_park_racetrack_teller_accused_of_groping_ several_women.html#incart_river_default

People can't be this stupid with cameras around

15k seems a little low for bail for a sex crime.....

They are saying this incident happened between 12p and 4p the prosecutors better make sure they have the rite tickets that he did this with cuz any mth tix containing the numbers :7: :8: :9: :10: :11: :12: I'd know they were framing the guy :lol: :lol: :lol:

[cj]

There is a whole thread about him here too...

www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104217 (http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104217)

And for the record, SRU was on him weeks before the Thorograph board. They probably saw it here first.

[Phantombridgejumpe]

No AC in most rooms (it was 96 degrees out).

Machines wouldn't let players play small increments that were allowed at certain tracks (teller who couldn't care less said some bets such as a 50 cent superfecta are against state law - wha??)

On the slightly positive note a very nice security women seemed to really care about the problem and all players were invited to use a TV lounge area which had AC and I believe generally costs extra.

Back to a negative to end it - maybe 30-40 people there total during the hour I was there. Oh, all minor expenses in, in the hour I made ...$9 profit.