Walter Case in Pennsylvania?

[jeebus1083]

http://www.harnessracingupdate.com/restricted/pdf/hru/hru041213.pdf

According to Case's new lawyer, it's a matter of a racetrack welcoming him to race, and the "discussions" have been positive, which means that if a track is willing to stick their neck out for Case, that the Penn. Commission may do the same.

Since this article, the Penn. chairman resigned his position, which may delay the process somewhat.

Here's hoping that Case will finally get his long awaited chance to return very soon.

[wiffleball whizz]

http://www.harnessracingupdate.com/restricted/pdf/hru/hru041213.pdf

According to Case's new lawyer, it's a matter of a racetrack welcoming him to race, and the "discussions" have been positive, which means that if a track is willing to stick their neck out for Case, that the Penn. Commission may do the same.

Since this article, the Penn. chairman resigned his position, which may delay the process somewhat.

Here's hoping that Case will finally get his long awaited chance to return very soon.

Guys been offered a million chances....in his defense his crimes are off the racetrack not on.....I don't see a problem letting him drive...

Look at brennen Parker and morrill all caught fixing a race at freehold they let them drive....let Wawa back in

[jeebus1083]

Walter Case, Jr. gets his day in court on Tuesday, 1pm in Harrisburg. Howard Taylor representing his cause and his wife Luanne will also be there. Should be interesting to see what happens.

[wiffleball whizz]

Would walter even be a factor if he drove at Pocono

[TheEdge07]

When right Pound for pound top 3 of all time

[LottaKash]

Would walter even be a factor if he drove at Pocono

I think that would all depend on the track he is driving at....If in Pennsylvnia, assay at Chester or Pocono, I am not so sure, the driving coloniy at each of those venues are strong....But at The Meadows, I am sure he would make a noise and create some interesting situations at least.....

Me, I could care less about his status any longer....Many people have had to make changes to their lifestyles due to any particularly serious error, be it fateful or self inflicted....He had his day, and I hope he has become a sincere and happy human being, but that is all......

Tho he was surely sumpin when he was at his game.....Still, many others have wowed me just as much, since his time,...

[pandy]

With the speed bias in most tracks, Case would really help the racing. For instance, at Harrah's Phl. there isn't enough movement, a lot of races are won by the horse that quarter moves, pretty boring. Case would not allow that to happen. When Case is driving at a track, the average pace of the races is faster and there's more movement because if you're not aggressive he'll go wire to wire all night long.

[wiffleball whizz]

With the speed bias in most tracks, Case would really help the racing. For instance, at Harrah's Phl. there isn't enough movement, a lot of races are won by the horse that quarter moves, pretty boring. Case would not allow that to happen. When Case is driving at a track, the average pace of the races is faster and there's more movement because if you're not aggressive he'll go wire to wire all night long.

Pandy obviously you know more then me about walter was he pretty much straight up or did he go in the can at times

[baconswitchfarm]

Yes. He was the worlds only straight up and ethical drug addict. C'mon man.

[pandy]

Pandy obviously you know more then me about walter was he pretty much straight up or did he go in the can at times


He was the hardest trying driver I've ever seen, every race, every horse. The handle usually went up at the tracks he drove because people bet on him knowing that he was always a go.

[speed]

He was the hardest trying driver I've ever seen, every race, every horse. The handle usually went up at the tracks he drove because people bet on him knowing that he was always a go.
Absolutely correct.

[LottaKash]

He was the hardest trying driver I've ever seen, every race, every horse. The handle usually went up at the tracks he drove because people bet on him knowing that he was always a go.

True enough I'd say, and I will agree to that, but, that was "then"....

Today, I am not so sure if that would be the case any longer....If he did come back that might be interesting for awhile, and yet, there are a whole bunch of other top-drivers that have that same proven type of aggressiveness today, the kind that Case once had...I'd have to see more before I would crown Case as the best ever at "going for it", and would he be that unique of a "game changer" nowadays ?...I would give that edge easily to Tim Tetrick these days...

[RaceTrackDaddy]

Case made moves with dead horses that only Case himself could do. He reminded me a lot of Patsy Rapone who raced at the Meadows when I helped out friends horses on the backside in the day and worked the Clubhouse at night.

Patsy could pick up a horse the first time he would drive it. Dale Mangan had a trotter he claimed that he could not seem to get home for a win. Sitting on the backside after training and putting the horses away, Patsy told Dale put me up on him next time you drop him in the box and let me show you how to win. Needless to say with Patsy up and my money down, Insko Minbar won for fun at decent odds.

I really could not see anything Patsy did differently than Dale but he got the most out of Insko Minbar that night. Case has that same God giving ability to feel the horse with the tips of his fingers. Basically I have come to believe that these guys can drive the horse using only the tips of their fingers as they can feel when the horse wants to take off and they just give the horse his head and let him do his/her thing when they want to take off.

Case would be a great addition to any driving colony even with his being out of racing competition these years except those few races at Plainridge in Mass a few years ago.

[marksinger]

pandy, funny you should say that about Chester (Philly) downs. I live nearby and they are the most BORING races I've ever seen. They need some excitement. :)

[jeebus1083]

Casey's hearing is at 1pm tomorrow in Harrisburg. Hopefully Luanne will touch base with me once it ends and share some news - good, bad or indifferent.

[RaceTrackDaddy]

Let us know if hear anything,,,,,I might even come back to the sport full time if Case gets to be driving in PA...

[jeebus1083]

Speaking with Luanne tonight, any decision will probably come within 30 days. Don't expect an immediate judgment on the license tomorrow.

[wiffleball whizz]

Wawa will get buried in PA.......

[LottaKash]

Here is an excerpt from this piece that Derick Giwner recently did for DRF...It was about DQ's and such....What I found interesting in that article, that there was this timely little snippet about Walter Case, is all....

http://www.drf.com/blogs/harness-controversy

the excerpt:
One of the most fined drivers in history for his inability to keep his feet in the stirrups, Walter Case, Jr., is having an appeal hearing on September 10 in Pennsylvania as he continues his quest to return to the sulky. He has kept his nose clean for years and seems to deserve one final shot. Time will tell . . .

[RaceTrackDaddy]

Thank you Kash...

[jeebus1083]

From Harness Racing Update (Page 5):
http://harnessracingupdate.com/restricted/pdf/hru/hru091413.pdf

From the sounds of it, it looks like the hearing officer is not a state gaming commissioner (like Gayle Cameron of Massachusetts), but rather an independent arbitrator. Ms. Wallet has a law firm in neighboring Camp Hill and is not a member of the PA Harness Racing Commission. Perhaps a set of fresh eyes to the matter will work out in Walter's favor. Problem is that if it doesn't, where else can he turn?

[pandy]

The sport has let back in drivers and trainers who broke the law, fixed races either through conspiracy or drugging their horses. yet they try to block Case, who committed a crime that had nothing to do with the sport and served his time.

[RaceTrackDaddy]

Add to the mix a guy like Luis Pena whose vet records had illegal drugs administered within the time frame of a race over 1,700 times, but a judge in NY leaves the decision for later and exhausted the time so that he gets off not on his good merits; but rather, on a technicality of not being tried in a timely manner. The guy is guilty as sin but Pa lets him in and Pokie gives him a home to race. I really don't know if he is still in the state or still at Mohegan Sun as my attention left the sport and only now has it gained my favor (until the Red Mile meet ends)...Pena is welcomed and Case is not. Who has a more potential to hurt this industry? Not Case.

[wiffleball whizz]

Add to the mix a guy like Luis Pena whose vet records had illegal drugs administered within the time frame of a race over 1,700 times, but a judge in NY leaves the decision for later and exhausted the time so that he gets off not on his good merits; but rather, on a technicality of not being tried in a timely manner. The guy is guilty as sin but Pa lets him in and Pokie gives him a home to race. I really don't know if he is still in the state or still at Mohegan Sun as my attention left the sport and only now has it gained my favor (until the Red Mile meet ends)...Pena is welcomed and Case is not. Who has a more potential to hurt this industry? Not Case.


Correct!!!! There Are 23 Lou Pena out there 1 wawa......Walter would have the highest level of integrity there is


Swear to go my fathers friends and him look at Walter as he is a god......before my time really was he that good???? Better then Herve?

[cecil127]

the half mile master/speed maker....good point about wawa vs lightening lou and who's gonna do more damage....walter with his feet not in the bike or 1700 drug violations:confused:

[jeebus1083]

A decision on Walter Case's license should be due by today, as the 30 day period expires. I fear however, that the PA hearing officer will uphold the original decision. I'm thinking that if PA was serious about reinstatement, a decision would have been rendered weeks ago. The fact that 30 days has lapsed can't be a good sign.

[Sea Biscuit]

A decision on Walter Case's license should be due by today, as the 30 day period expires. I fear however, that the PA hearing officer will uphold the original decision. I'm thinking that if PA was serious about reinstatement, a decision would have been rendered weeks ago. The fact that 30 days has lapsed can't be a good sign.

Let us know the outcome of the hearing Jeebus.

Its an anxious moment for most fans of Walter

[jeebus1083]

Spoke with Luanne tonight, and unfortunately it is not good news. The Penn. Commission's original decision to deny Walter Case a license has been upheld. According to Luanne, Walter's spirit is crushed. Really looks like the end of the road.

[pandy]

Spoke with Luanne tonight, and unfortunately it is not good news. The Penn. Commission's original decision to deny Walter Case a license has been upheld. According to Luanne, Walter's spirit is crushed. Really looks like the end of the road.


I would imagine that he could get in somewhere else, maybe Cal Expo or Michigan, but then he would be away from his family. PA. would have been ideal. I wonder if he could try Delaware.

[Stillriledup]

Spoke with Luanne tonight, and unfortunately it is not good news. The Penn. Commission's original decision to deny Walter Case a license has been upheld. According to Luanne, Walter's spirit is crushed. Really looks like the end of the road.

Certain people get kicked out of their sport for life, but most do not, most get another chance. P Val got plenty of chances, Tyler Baze will keep getting chances also.

Its too bad, racing fans would love to see this guy back doing what he does best.

[wilderness]

I would imagine that he could get in somewhere else, maybe Cal Expo or Michigan, but then he would be away from his family. PA. would have been ideal. I wonder if he could try Delaware.

Not sure where you think he'd racing in Michigan?

Hazel Park applied for a mere 54-days in 2014 and then re-applied for a mere 10-days.

Perhaps they'd take him at Mount Pleasant ;)

[wiffleball whizz]

Leave him on the sidelines.....stabbed his wife that's enough chances for him

[jeebus1083]

Leave him on the sidelines.....stabbed his wife that's enough chances for him

And what does that have to do with him getting a harness racing license? He did his time (paroled for good behavior), has stayed on the straight and narrow and is out of work. Case has taken steps to help rehabilitate himself yet racing commissions seem hellbent on keeping him from earning a livelihood for himself.

[jeebus1083]

I would imagine that he could get in somewhere else, maybe Cal Expo or Michigan, but then he would be away from his family. PA. would have been ideal. I wonder if he could try Delaware.

I believe that at this point, both Walter and Luanne are resigned to the situation being what it is and moving past this. Luanne is extremely angry and bitter with the powers that be who control the business that she is ready to lay the groundwork to get out of the sport in a couple of years and settle down in Ohio.

Massachusetts issued a denial and now, Pennsylvania has followed suit. If the PA denial goes onto the USTA books like the one in Massachusetts, is there a realistic chance of Walter getting licensed anywhere - even Michigan or California? Even if Walter were interested in uprooting elsewhere (which I understand that he is not), the amount of red tape involved (both the Massachusetts and Pennsylvania licensing matters drew out for months at a time) doesn't make the effort worth it anymore.

[LottaKash]

Case has taken steps to help rehabilitate himself yet racing commissions seem hellbent on keeping him from earning a livelihood for himself.

jeebus, I am not looking for a confrontation, as I see that this upsets you a bit, but many other people in life have had some "life changing" scenarios and many have simply dusted themselves off and made a new plan, and went on with it....

On a humanistic level I feel for the guy, I sincerely do....But he made the mistake, and his life changed as a result, and now he has to deal with that result of that change, and I hope he does....But, there are other things to do in life, and I guess getting back to being a great harness driver isn't going to be one of them...

My point is, I have changed my life around more than a time or two, and mostly for the better (except one time, haha), but I still ain't got that new "Beemer" yet...

I hope he and all his admirers do, get on with it...

For me there are plenty of other top notch drivers that I bet on, and win with, all the time.....I wish some of them would go to Balmoral Park tho...:D

[grant miller]

thank you L-K Ive spent time in the V.A. in ny & pa wondering when my next chance was,----finally I figured out it was ON ME---thank you wilke berre(sp) V.A.):)

[LottaKash]

thank you L-K Ive spent time in the V.A. in ny & pa wondering when my next chance was,----finally I figured out it was ON ME---thank you wilke berre(sp) V.A.):)

Hey GM, I know the Wilkes Barre VA hospital very well....I used to live quite near there....In fact that is where they removed my "right lung"...Seriously, I had cancer....

Pocono Downs almost got my other one a few times, but I escaped the threat each time ...:D ...

[pandy]

The thing that bothers some of us about this is that Case's crime was non-racing related and he was punished by the judicial system and served his time.

For the racing establishment to ban him now is simply an injustice. Eric Ledford, and there are others in both thoroughbred and harness racing, got caught doping horses with a drug that could kill them and was let back in after a year.

[wiffleball whizz]

Hey GM, I know the Wilkes Barre VA hospital very well....I used to live quite near there....In fact that is where they removed my "right lung"...Seriously, I had cancer....

Pocono Downs almost got my other one a few times, but I escaped the threat each time ...:D ...


I lived there for 5 months while teaching casino school at Pocono downs.....lived at the woodlands for 3 months and Hopkins street in plains for 2 months....hard to beat the woodlands on a thur-sat night

Eddies place was solid along with lispi lounge to hang out with the good guys!!

[Ray2000]

Maybe I shouldn't try to find humor in a 10 year old tragedy but HRU says

"Case served four years in prison for stabbing his then wife with a stake knife."


Did he think she was a vampire? :D

[LottaKash]

Maybe I shouldn't try to find humor in a 10 year old tragedy but HRU says

"Case served four years in prison for stabbing his then wife with a stake knife."


Did he think she was a vampire? :D

Ray, it's Funny !....:D

Tis the season, right ?....:jump:

[LottaKash]

I lived there for 5 months while teaching casino school at Pocono downs.....lived at the woodlands for 3 months and Hopkins street in plains for 2 months....hard to beat the woodlands on a thur-sat night

Eddies place was solid along with lispi lounge to hang out with the good guys!!

Hey Wizz, you sure do get around....:jump:

You remind me of some of the dudes that I used to hang with, so many moons ago.....You know, gambling and all....We would bet on everything, especially on ourselves at doing things....

Party Guy hunh?....The Woodlands had something for everyone there.....And got the best burgers or Kielbasa at Eddie's Place, afterwards...:ThmbUp:

[Saratoga_Mike]

Leave him on the sidelines.....stabbed his wife that's enough chances for him

Agreed - you need a state-sanctioned license to participate in certain activities and driving a harness horse is one. In most states, he wouldn't be able to get a liquor license to run a bar or a gaming commission's imprimatur to run a casino. There are ramifications to one's actions especially if you want to participate in a regulated sport.

[wiffleball whizz]

Hey Wizz, you sure do get around....:jump:

You remind me of some of the dudes that I used to hang with, so many moons ago.....You know, gambling and all....We would bet on everything, especially on ourselves at doing things....

Party Guy hunh?....The Woodlands had something for everyone there.....And got the best burgers or Kielbasa at Eddie's Place, afterwards...:ThmbUp:


You are so right on woodlands having something for everyone......any age demographic could walk out and be getting action at any given moment......what number the women were on the 1-10 scale is anybody's guess