Illinois Derby

[Striker]

Field for the IL Derby 6:15pm (est)

:1: Bells Big Bernie 20-1
:2: Dewey Square 8-1
:3: Street Spice 20-1
:4: For Greater Glory 15-1
:5: Ground Transport 8-1
:6: Taken by the Storm 15-1
:7: Dakota Mac 30-1
:8: Abraham 8-1
:9: Show Some Magic 6-1
:10: Fordubai 20-1
:11: Stormin Monarcho 15-1
:12: Siete de Oros 5-1
:13: Departing 7-2
:14: Narvaez 20-1

[Phantombridgejumpe]

$2 Tri pays over $1,200

[precocity]

:12: Siete de Oros is going to bust this field up!

[Valuist]

Dewey Square 8-1? Too much respect. Ground Transport and Abraham 8-1? Not nearly enough respect.

FYI- for anyone planning on playing the Ill Derby/Sixty Sails card, Hawthorne started carding turf races, just in time for the torrential rains and flooding to hit. It would take a miracle for the two grass races carded for Saturday to stay on the lawn.

[ArlJim78]

it's monsoon season in Chicago.

[Leparoux]

Isn't this in the wrong forum :p

[Striker]

FYI- for anyone planning on playing the Ill Derby/Sixty Sails card, Hawthorne started carding turf races, just in time for the torrential rains and flooding to hit. It would take a miracle for the two grass races carded for Saturday to stay on the lawn.
Absolutely zero chance of any turf racing happening at Haw on Saturday.

[Striker]

Isn't this in the wrong forum :p
I couldn't find the CDI(Arlington and Dick D)screw Hawthorne once again forum so pretty sure it belongs here, as this will be a Preakness prep for some horses.

[Valuist]

Not a ton of speed in here. Will Abraham get any pressure on front end?

[Racey]

I like the :4: :12: :13: here over the :3: :5: boxed

[GaryG]

:5: GROUND TRANSPORT made a wide move into a fast pace in the LA Derby. Gets a better draw and is improving with every start.

[Valuist]

My odds:

1 Bells Big Bernie 30-1
2 Dewey Square 20-1
3 Street Spice 25-1
4 For Greater Glory 10-1
5 Ground Transport 5-1
6 Taken by the Storm 20-1
7 Dakota Mac 50-1
8 Abraham 5-1
9 Show Some Magic 6-1
10 Fordubai 20-1
11 Stormin Monarcho 30-1
12 Siete De Oros 10-1
13 Departing 5-2
14 Narvaez 15-1

[Valuist]

It would be interesting to see Pletcher's record at Hawthorne. It may not be quite to the level Baffert is at Oaklawn, but it seems everything he sends to Stickney is ready to roll.

[peeptoad]

:5: GROUND TRANSPORT made a wide move into a fast pace in the LA Derby. Gets a better draw and is improving with every start.

I like him for the win. He gets a much more reasonable post here.
Also like Abraham, esp if it rains, and Departing probably good enough to hit the board.

[Striker]

It would be interesting to see Pletcher's record at Hawthorne. It may not be quite to the level Baffert is at Oaklawn, but it seems everything he sends to Stickney is ready to roll.
He has won the IL Derby 3 out of the 10 years since it has moved from Sportsman's to Hawthorne. The only years he hasn't had a horse run in the IL Derby at Haw were 2003 and 2010. He won the race in 2004-Pollards Vision, 2007-Cowtown Cat, 2011-Joe Vann. His other results have been--2005-2nd w/Monarch Lane, 2006-7th w/My Golden Song, 2008-4th w/Atoned, 2009-5th w/Il Postino and 8th w/Al Khali, 2012-5th w/Our Entourage.

[classhandicapper]

I wish Narvarez had drawn better. Tougher to take him to get a piece from way out there.

[Leparoux]

:5: :13:

[Valuist]

He has won the IL Derby 3 out of the 10 years since it has moved from Sportsman's to Hawthorne. The only years he hasn't had a horse run in the IL Derby at Haw were 2003 and 2010. He won the race in 2004-Pollards Vision, 2007-Cowtown Cat, 2011-Joe Vann. His other results have been--2005-2nd w/Monarch Lane, 2006-7th w/My Golden Song, 2008-4th w/Atoned, 2009-5th w/Il Postino and 8th w/Al Khali, 2012-5th w/Our Entourage.

How about the Sixty Sails? He usually sends a filly or mare in for that, also.

[Striker]

How about the Sixty Sails? He usually sends a filly or mare in for that, also.
He won it in 2010-Life at Ten, 2006-Fleet Indian, 2005-Isola Piu Bella. Got 4th with Love and Pride in 2012 and then 4th with Mo Cuishle in 2007.

[Valuist]

He won it in 2010-Life at Ten, 2006-Fleet Indian, 2005-Isola Piu Bella. Got 4th with Love and Pride in 2012 and then 4th with Mo Cuishle in 2007.

Thanks.

That makes him 6 for 14 in the two races.

[Striker]

Thanks.

That makes him 6 for 14 in the two races.
He also won the IL Derby in 2001 with Distilled when the race was still at Sportsman's Park but didn't include that because I was just sticking with the Hawthorne data. So, he has won 4 out of the last 12 in regards to the IL Derby.

[Will Power]

Today was off the turf and fast. Only one winner was more than 3 back at the second call. I'll say the 13 can clear and go.

[Striker]

Today was off the turf and fast. Only one winner was more than 3 back at the second call. I'll say the 13 can clear and go.
There was a headwind of about 20-25mph in the stretch today at Hawthorne, makes it very tough for any horse to make up ground in the stretch.

[Valuist]

Today was off the turf and fast. Only one winner was more than 3 back at the second call. I'll say the 13 can clear and go.

Departing could win, but I'd be shocked if he cleared Abraham from the 13 hole.

[porchy44]

I like #12 Siete De Oros .
He has ran against Vyjack twice( who is a legit derby contender) and was bothered at the start both times and was barely beaten in the January race.

[Striker]

Going to go with :5: Ground Transport and throw :10: Fordubai in the exacta.

[pondman]

Not a ton of speed in here. Will Abraham get any pressure on front end?
:10: Fortubai- should be on the lead. May be a setup for :3: Street Spice. Don't overlook these two in the exotics. The additional 1/16 will help.

[ArlJim78]

wow! big crowd at the thorne.:lol:

[Tom]

:5: Ground Transport

[precocity]

wow! big crowd at the thorne.:lol:
:lol: I saw eight peeps when the race started at the rail :rolleyes:

[precocity]

:12: Siete de Oros is going to bust this field up!
got my money back went wps more money on the ws oh well on to the derby mofos :cool:

[precocity]

Departing could win, but I'd be shocked if he cleared Abraham from the 13 hole.
hope you had him :ThmbUp:

[Zydeco]

:lol: I saw eight peeps when the race started at the rail :rolleyes:
I saw them also!

[CincyHorseplayer]

"Departing-is my wiseguy horse.He topped out before the Louisiana Derby and had some pretty sizable trip issues and might not have been at his best either.On a potential bounceback and solid distance breeding on both sides and a pressing style I think he's a major player."

This is my quote from the Goldcents thread the other day.At 9/5 I was surprised and took a piece,but how much glory is involved with a 9/5 shot?I still think he would have hit at least the exotics at a big price in the Derby.Conflicting feelings here.But nice run.Anybody got a rough figure?Just curious.

[Tom]

I saw them also!

So then......you guys were TWO of them all? :lol:

[precocity]

So then......you guys were TWO of them all? :lol:
screw you TOM we cant watch a race? ;)

[precocity]

"Departing-is my wiseguy horse.He topped out before the Louisiana Derby and had some pretty sizable trip issues and might not have been at his best either.On a potential bounceback and solid distance breeding on both sides and a pressing style I think he's a major player."

This is my quote from the Golden thread the other day.At 9/5 I was surprised and took a piece,but how much glory is involved with a 9/5 shot?I still think he would have hit at least the exotics at a big price in the Derby.Conflicting feelings here.But nice run.Anybody got a rough figure?Just curious.
cincy respect your opinion but he is a toss and don't put him and the same breath as the goldencents thread thank you!

[CincyHorseplayer]

cincy respect your opinion but he is a toss and don't put him and the same breath as the goldencents thread thank you!

That's cool.I didn't want to sit here and tout him anyway and he sure as shit isn't going to the derby.My whole get here was how can you pat yourself on the back for who might hit the derby exotics when they run in the Illinois Derby at 9/5?It was a little deflating for me.That's all.

[precocity]

That's cool.I didn't want to sit here and tout him anyway and he sure as shit isn't going to the derby.My whole get here was how can you pat yourself on the back for who might hit the derby exotics when they run in the Illinois Derby at 9/5?It was a little deflating for me.That's all.
:lol: but he did blow them away!

[CincyHorseplayer]

:lol: but he did blow them away!

Why is this so awesomely hilarious?I did put him in the Goldcents thread.That horse is solid but he's not otherworldy.I think the connections made a great decision and got 450K for it and he looked great doing it.Being glued to these 3's this time of year I was hoping for a larger chunk of coin.I'm glad you're having a ball with my openly displayed emotions!I live for this!:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTEyp7YHSyM

[Valuist]

I know this is old but what BS that this race didn't get any points. Interesting that CDI with Duchossois wants to stick it to Hawthorne. When Arlington burned to the ground in 1985, who came to Arlington's aid to let them finish their meet, free of charge? The Carey family.

I do like how Hawthorne announcer Peter Galassi makes a point of referring to Haw's dirt track as a REAL dirt track.....opposed to the crappy, fake dirt at Arlington.

[Tom]

I think it would be hilarious is the Ill Derby winner comes back in the Preakness and bet the KY Derby winner, denying a triple crown possibility. And if he wins both the Preakness and Belmont, all the better.

[Striker]

I think it would be hilarious is the Ill Derby winner comes back in the Preakness and bet the KY Derby winner, denying a triple crown possibility. And if he wins both the Preakness and Belmont, all the better.
I would like that to happen also, but if Orb or Lines of Battle win the derby, I would be shocked to see Departing in the Preakness trying to spoil the TC bid of one of those. Claiborne Farm is involved in the breeding of those two horses, and to have a gelding spoil a TC bid when you are involved in the breeding of a possible TC winner, is probably not going to happen.

[Striker]

Highly unlikely that Departing goes in the Preakness now but you never know.

[Tom]

I'm not holding my breath! :D

[duncan04]

Now everyone can see why the Illinois Derby is not in the points for KY Derby status. Everyone was saying watch Departing in the Preakness and you will see the error in this. Looks like CDI got it right

[RXB]

Now everyone can see why the Illinois Derby is not in the points for KY Derby status. Everyone was saying watch Departing in the Preakness and you will see the error in this. Looks like CDI got it right

I didn't like Departing today-- but I didn't like Govenor Charlie either. And I know for sure that the Sunland Derby isn't any better than the Illinois Derby in the longer view. So why is the Sunland Derby worth a bunch of points but the Illinois Derby zero?

It was a pure political power play by CDI, leaving out the Illinois Derby.

[Tom]

Now everyone can see why the Illinois Derby is not in the points for KY Derby status. Everyone was saying watch Departing in the Preakness and you will see the error in this. Looks like CDI got it right

One year mean zero.
When have had an Illinois Derby winner win a Kentucky Derby in recent years.
How many UAE Winners have hit the board in the Derby? CD got it flat ass wrong - it was a business decision to penalize a rival track. it has nothing to do with the Derby. By your logic, the Wood should get no points.

[cj]

Now everyone can see why the Illinois Derby is not in the points for KY Derby status. Everyone was saying watch Departing in the Preakness and you will see the error in this. Looks like CDI got it right

A whole bunch of stakes races had entrants do nothing in the Derby and Preakness. That was just a silly take based on one horse in one race. Also, don't you think the fact the race wasn't worth points kind of kept some good horses from trying?

[JPinMaryland]

Didn't War Emblem come out of this race? Which doesn't make it great but no better or worse than Sunland. ANd the WOod Memorial has had drought for a while now. So it's hard to assign a real number to each race. I do think they did much better this year with awarding more pts to races as a three year old. Not fair to the Il derby though.

[cj]

The Blue Grass S. has been knocked a lot since the switch to synthetics, and rightfully so in my opinion. But forget that, anybody care to guess the last time the winner of the Blue Grass won a Triple Crown race?

1993, Prairie Bayou, Preakness.