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Pace Cap'n
02-14-2004, 09:38 PM
Let me preface by saying I haven't made a wager on a Magna track this year.

However, at the local OTB my seat was about twelve feet from a big-screen TV showing Gulfstream.

I think I might have seen the race of the year already, the FOY.

2nd of June and Read The Footnotes had been up front, along with Frisky Spider, from the start. Coming around the turn it was just 2nd and Read, with 2June about having about a half-head lead.

And they ran just like that all the way down the stretch, side by side. 2June maintained the lead, but never by more than a short head. If the race had been 25 feet shorter, 2nd of June would have won.

As Tom Durkin might have said, "A race neither deserved to lose."

Buddha
02-14-2004, 11:44 PM
Yes, that was a very good race to watch on TV. I didnt bet the race as I am not betting Magna either, but a very good race, and if those 2 stay that close, whether they are the top 3YO or not, it could be a decent year of racing for them.

PaceAdvantage
02-15-2004, 12:34 AM
Just think of the possibilities at this point in time....

Two that immediately come to mind:

Affirmed vs. Alydar part II

or

Funny Cide part II (Read the Footnotes is a NY-bred)

Speed Figure
02-15-2004, 01:10 AM
These are my figures for the races.
1C 2C LF SF CL
Red the Footnotes 92 107 102 105 119.47

Secong of June 93 109 100 105 118.42

Race Figures 94 109 100 105


1C 2C LF SF CL
Birdstone 79 91 119 103 116.31

Race Figures 81 91 119 103


1C 2C LF SF CL
Lime House 96 114 89 106 120.0

Race Figures 103 118 85 106

Speed Figure
02-15-2004, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by Speed Figure
These are my figures for the races.
1C 2C LF SF CL
Red the Footnotes 92 107 102 105 119.47

Secong of June 93 109 100 105 118.42

Race Figures 94 109 100 105


1C 2C LF SF CL
Birdstone 79 91 105 95 112.10

Race Figures 81 91 105 95


1C 2C LF SF CL
Lime House 96 114 89 106 120.0

Race Figures 103 118 85 106

I put the wrong LF & SF for Birdstone!:eek:

Pace Cap'n
02-15-2004, 07:45 AM
I would be interested to see your figures for Race 8, won by Madcap Escapade.

Her performance was also visually impressive. A shorter race, but she just flat smoked 'em.

Suff
02-15-2004, 08:11 AM
It was a great race to watch. Two question marks leave the door open for top TC contenders.

I still think 2nd of june ran the tougher race. Bailey did a really great thing when he brought RTF's right up on top of 2nd of J. 2nd of J appeared to go off track a bit... a slight miss step. I saw it. He's still learning, and I think it was a good learning race. Also I think a Mile and 1/16th is the ideal distance for RTF's. He's all sprint on his Sire side. He does have distance on Mare side. But can you get mile and a 1/4'r kentucky Derby Distance all from Mommy? I don't think its a Lock that RTF can get grade 1 mile and 1/4'r.

Also as noted.. earlier race on the card went 4/5's faster so depsite the numbers there are still open questions.

Tom
02-15-2004, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by PaceAdvantage
Just think of the possibilities at this point in time....

Two that immediately come to mind:

Affirmed vs. Alydar part II

or

Funny Cide part II (Read the Footnotes is a NY-bred)

Another possibility: Cure the Blues vs ???? (Forget his name)
Ran a hole in the wind in the Gotham and cooked themselves after that.
Hope #3 is not the one.

Suff
02-15-2004, 10:30 AM
reporting 2nd of June broke cannon bone. Heading to surgery.

Buddha
02-15-2004, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Suff
2nd of J appeared to go off track a bit... a slight miss step. I saw it.

Nice catch, may have been when something happened to his cannon. I didnt catch that.

Speed Figure
02-16-2004, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Pace Cap'n
I would be interested to see your figures for Race 8, won by Madcap Escapade.

Her performance was also visually impressive. A shorter race, but she just flat smoked 'em.

1C 2C LF SF CL
Madcap Escapade 103 113 92 107 116.84

Valuist
02-17-2004, 11:04 AM
The FOY was the only race of the day at 1 1/16 miles on the main track. For some reason, they had to make Birdstone's race 1 m 70 yards. You'd think racing secretaries would be a little more understanding to the speed handicappers of the world.....

OTM Al
02-17-2004, 12:25 PM
Second of June looked fantastic in that race. It's not the race being 25 ft shorter that would have put him on top (broken bone and all) but the fact he ran so much of the race on the quagmire known as the rail at Gulfstream. Had the two horses' positions been switched, I believe Second of June would have won easily. I went happily to the window to place a futures bet on him, as I felt he was much the better horse and the best 3yo I've seen. I know its a long time to the Derby and a lot will happen, but he was my early favorite, so what the hell. Well, that's a couple bucks down the drain now. Just hope the big guy gets healthy because he is something to watch.

Madcap Escapade made me a believer too. I know it was only six furlongs, but she blew the field away (stakes record too I believe) and looked to have a ton more. Dropped a couple bucks on her on the Oaks Futures.

Speed Figure
02-17-2004, 12:40 PM
I don't put much on her sprint figures. It's a great race for a 3 year old fillie, but can she go "TWO TURES". She looks alot like Forest Music.

OTM Al
02-17-2004, 01:14 PM
Speed Figure,

As always that's the $64,000 question. We'll see what she has in the coming months. On the same point I found it interesting they left Silver Wagon for the singles in the Derby Futures. He's shown a couple times already that he can't handle 2 turns and yet he was listed with lower odds initially than many that had shown they could. I really doubt he even is entered when all is said and done.

Valuist
02-17-2004, 01:28 PM
I would be willing to bet that Madcap Escapade will be a very BAD bet when going two turns. Speed crazy horses have trouble relaxing.

OTM Al
02-17-2004, 01:41 PM
I would agree if she had broken from the gate 1st and ran like a lunatic the whole way. Instead, she dropped in behind the leaders until the turn and then just blew past them when the time came. It was a textbook run as I see it. That in no way answers if she can do two turns I well know. That point is yet to be proven.