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Here's something to rally the troops just in case you guys lose the next bunch of elections.
Maybe they will release a feature film and call it Atlas Shrugs III. This time with an AR 15 :cool:
/xReYMOL8nZY?
Actor
03-28-2013, 05:21 PM
Booth 501? :confused:
Booth 501? :confused:
At CPAC. What else?
http://clevelandteapartypatriots.blogspot.com/2013/03/tea-party-patriots-movement-on-fire.html
Tea Party Patriots: "A Movement on Fire" (Video)
In what Roger Ebert called the "Hunger Games" meets "Brave New World", Tea Party Patriots released the trailer for their new movie "A Movement On Fire" at CPAC this past weekend.
The movie is about the "Liberty Party" standing up and fighting against the "Development Party" taking away the liberty & freedoms of Americans.
badcompany
03-28-2013, 06:33 PM
:ThmbUp:
http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2012/04/sarah-palin9371.jpg
Tina Fey does a better Sarah :)
the Mad Hatter lives.
Go hcap.......the meltdown is amusing.
I got June in the over-under pool. :lol::lol::lol:
PaceAdvantage
03-28-2013, 09:34 PM
Here's something to rally the troops just in case you guys lose the next bunch of elections.
Maybe they will release a feature film and call it Atlas Shrugs III. This time with an AR 15 :cool:
/xReYMOL8nZY?Although cheesy, the video has a point. It basically defines today's liberal left in the first 50 seconds...with razor-sharp precision.
In fact, I immediately think of Mostpost when I hear that fake politician speaking in the first 50 seconds...
Although cheesy, the video has a point. It basically defines today's liberal left in the first 50 seconds...with razor-sharp precision.
In fact, I immediately think of Mostpost when I hear that fake politician speaking in the first 50 seconds...Funny, I thought of you gents when I watched this piece of crappola......
Armchair revolutionaries whose favorite fantasies are
video-game, nightmarish bureaucracies and their big talk-- bullshit,
to overthrow all them evil lib conspiracies...
“Let our lives be the spark that ignites the fire of liberty,
We are a movement on fire!”
Break out the assault rifles and Tea party 3 pointed hats
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Another line from the cruddy video
"Don’t you see? The more they give us, the more they control us.”
Sounds like the vid was co-authored by all you TPers HERE
Robert Goren
03-29-2013, 09:47 AM
Is this video for real? It sure looked like satire to me.
"Don’t you see? The more they give us, the more they control us.”
100% true.
How can you possible argue dependency is not control?
Just look at the democrat war on poverty - how many years, how many trillions, how little success. All you have done is make poverty genetic, destroyed the Black family units, and lookie lookie, the Black vote pretty much shows who control them.
All you guys did was to make slavery fashionable.
Is this video for real? It sure looked like satire to me.Yep, it's for real. Hard to believe.
Just ask Tom. In fact, looks like he wrote it :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ocala Mike
03-29-2013, 10:53 AM
Looks like it came out of the same studio as "Reefer Madness."
100% true.
How can you possible argue dependency is not control?
Just look at the democrat war on poverty - how many years, how many trillions, how little success. All you have done is make poverty genetic, destroyed the Black family units, and lookie lookie, the Black vote pretty much shows who control them.
All you guys did was to make slavery fashionable.Maybe Blacks hate rethug policies?
Like the piss poor movie Atlas Shrugged? If someone did a survey of the very few who bought tickets to that dog, you would find NO Blacks! except maybe Alan West .
Maybe I can find a chart? I'll look :)
:cool:
Maybe Blacks hate rethug policies?
Yeah, right.
At those percentages?
Right.
Dream on.
tpAOwJvTOio
rastajenk
03-29-2013, 10:29 PM
If someone did a survey of the very few who bought tickets to that dog, you would find NO Blacks! Nah, they all went to Django Unchained so they could cheer when Whitey gets offed.
JustRalph
03-29-2013, 11:31 PM
Maybe Blacks hate rethug policies?
Save us another chart......... :bang:
ask these guys
http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.main&
http://blackandconservative.com/
http://theblacksphere.net/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Conservative-Political-Action/292949924146549
http://conservativeblackchick.com/blog/2013/03/21/im-a-black-republican-and-im-not-alone/
http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21Index.html
Be afraid, be very afraid...............
pgHhhe9MjaA
TJDave
03-30-2013, 04:21 AM
The more they give us, the more they control us.”
I'll risk it. ;)
Yeah, right.
At those percentages?
Right.
Dream on.
"This video is REAL LIFE....."
Rightie Porn!
Save us another chart......... :bang:
ask these guys
http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.main&
http://blackandconservative.com/
http://theblacksphere.net/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Conservative-Political-Action/292949924146549
http://conservativeblackchick.com/blog/2013/03/21/im-a-black-republican-and-im-not-alone/
http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21Index.html
Be afraid, be very afraid...............
pgHhhe9MjaA
So let me get this straight. Blackls and Hispanics vote in overwhelming numbers for Obama and the Dems, and you post all of the remaining 5% left over. Very convincing. :) :)
Nah, they all went to Django Unchained so they could cheer when Whitey gets offed.Why do you guys get your rocks off on being bigots?
New rules for T-pee-ers?
JustRalph
03-30-2013, 06:06 AM
So let me get this straight. Blackls and Hispanics vote in overwhelming numbers for Obama and the Dems, and you post all of the remaining 5% left over. Very convincing. :) :)
Where your clan is going wrong is pitting blacks against Hispanics.
Big mistake........
Where your clan is going wrong is pitting blacks against Hispanics.
Big mistake........Pitting???
Never said that.
Blacks and Hispanics are in the same boat. Consequently rethugs are subject to backlash demographics more now than ever before. All the "makeovers" in the world will not change a thing.
JustRalph
03-30-2013, 08:02 AM
Pitting???
Never said that.
Blacks and Hispanics are in the same boat. Consequently rethugs are subject to backlash demographics more now than ever before. All the "makeovers" in the world will not change a thing.
Absolutely not in the same boat. Blacks are being left behind by the first black Prez. They know it.
Hispanics are being courted by both parties and Dems are pandering to them promising amnesty, which Obama has basically already instituted by not deporting families with children born here. Most states are now issuing them drivers licenses at the behest of Obama.
The Repubs will never earn the Hspanic vote in spite of Marco Rubio and his cartoonish antics. Not to mention Rand Paul calling for amnesty last week. But, the more blacks sink into the abyss that is unemployment, the more likely they are to move to the right.
The national gay agenda causes problems for blacks also. I think that's overstated now because they won't turn their back on Obama. But the minute there is no black presidential candidate, things will change. They may not vote against a Dem party that embraces the SSM crowd. But they might just be more inclined to no longer give a shit. Remember 3% turns an election now. They might stay home.
It's a long way until 2016. Tons of things could turn the tide. But I still see a lost Repub party until 2020 when Hill runs for re-election. By that time the old dogs will be gone in the Repub party. Lots of new blood. It's sorely needed.
The only thing that could change that would be Hilary not running for health reasons etc. but I think she's in if they have to hold her up with a walker.
I think by 2020 the Repub Governors will be so strong that their "starve them out" plan will be a full success by then. Texas added more new jobs last month than in the history of the state. Ohio came close to a record. 3 likely candidates in Ohio have dropped from the Dem side in the last week in Ohio. They see Kasich growing stronger. But I think he has a shit ground game. He could still lose if Cordray runs. But the rumors are Cordray is going to wait. Who knows.
Cordray has been defeated in Ohio before. A couple of times for different posts.
By 2020 California should be well into fiscal crisis, they have been very inventive in the ways they stave off fiscal failure and just keep adding debt while magically realigning things to buy time. The latest yes vote to raise taxes was a fools errand that probably bought them 3-4 yrs xtra. A huge kick of the can. But unemployment remains high and you can only kick the can so long.
I spoke with two cops tonight here where I live. They haven't had a raise since 2008. They say that in spite of improving economy etc. the Texas municipalities are pouring every extra dime into rainy day funds and select infrastructure funds for the future. They are being very tight because they believe that Obama is going to head us right back into recession. Imagine them thinking that way?
Police Depts here are very closed. There is no such thing as lateral transfers that provide for seniority accumulation. This means if you move from one department to another, you start at the bottom of the pay scale like a rookie. And these guys aren't getting rich. I was making almost as much as they are in 1995 in Ohio.
That's enough............for now.
Rightie Porn!
Funny, people like YOU make a big deal over a parody video and totally ignore the other two videos in this thread that are 100% REAL! :lol: :lol: :lol:
You are such a parody of a real person.
Funny, people like YOU make a big deal over a parody video and totally ignore the other two videos in this thread that are 100% REAL! :lol: :lol: :lol:
You are such a parody of a real person.Your righty PORN video is so chock full of "dog whistles", you are conditioned to kneeJERK too, you ignore your own bigotry and laugh it off as fair and balanced. All you little Hannitys are just fooling yourselves. The extremists in the rethug and Tee-pee-er Parties are pitiful.
You are such a tool some days.
I posted a REAL video by a REAL OBAMA supporter and YOU can't handle the TRUTH. Grow a set.
Go tell your mommy the big kids are picking on you again, little girl. :lol: :lol:
badcompany
03-30-2013, 11:58 AM
Why do you guys get your rocks off on being bigots?
New rules for T-pee-ers?
I hope the new town you moved to is more diverse than the one you left:
Monroe, New York
As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 31,407 people, 8,228 households, and 6,878 families residing in the town. The population density was 1,563.5 people per square mile (603.6/km˛). There were 8,517 housing units at an average density of 424.0 per square mile (163.7/km˛). The racial makeup of the town was 94.91% White, 1.22% Black or African American, 0.25% Native American, 1.36% Asian, 1.15% from other races, and 1.10% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 4.91% of the population. 12.6% were of Italian, 12.4% Irish, 9.2% Hungarian, 6.0% American and 5.6% German ancestry according to Census 2000.
http://www.denveroffthewagon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/shame.jpg
I ran a shop in NYC. Supervised many Black and Hispanics.
Learned the business working alongside people from all over including inner city NY.
Monroe or any other place I lived or will live has zero impact at this point in my life on how i judge people including people who's claim to fame is that they have read Schopenhauer but post tons of meaningless non-sequiters
PaceAdvantage
03-30-2013, 03:45 PM
Why do you guys get your rocks off on being bigots? We learned well from the Democratic party? The party of Byrd, Jackson and Sharpton... :lol:
TJDave
03-30-2013, 04:01 PM
Blacks and Hispanics are in the same boat.
They compete for the same last slice of pie. When it serves their purpose they collaborate...otherwise, not.
JustRalph
03-30-2013, 05:50 PM
These guys gotta stop stealing from my PA posts
From drudge today
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bet-founder-country-would-never-tolerate-white-unemployment-14-or-15-percent
TJDave
03-30-2013, 06:07 PM
Johnson said the challenge was to figure out why the unemployment rate for blacks has been so high, “and if that doesn’t change, somebody’s going to have to pay— 34 million African-Americans are not going to leave this country, millions of African-Americans who don’t have jobs.”
“Somebody’s going to have to pay for them. Somebody’s going to have to take care of them, and if somebody’s going to have to take care of them, that money’s got to come from somebody.
JustRalph
03-30-2013, 06:33 PM
From the article
"In 2009, the median net worth of white households was $113,149, while the median net worth of black households was $5,677, according to a July 26, 2011 report released by the Pew Research Center entitled, “Wealth Gaps Rise to Record Highs Between Whites, Blacks, Hispanics Twenty-to-One.”
“The median wealth of white households is 20 times that of black households and 18 times that of Hispanic households, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of newly available government data from 2009,” a summary of the report said.
“These lopsided wealth ratios are the largest since the government began publishing such data a quarter century ago and roughly twice the size of the ratios that had prevailed between these three groups for the two decades prior to the Great Recession that ended in 2009,” the report said.
“The wealth gap between black Americans and white Americans over the past 20 years has increased from $20,000 to $90,000, according to the Pew Research Center. And again, according to the Pew Research Center, nearly half of African-Americans born to middle-class families in the 60s will never attain the wealth of their parents,” Johnson said."
“Somebody’s going to have to pay for them. Somebody’s going to have to take care of them, and if somebody’s going to have to take care of them, that money’s got to come from somebody.
Why?
TJDave
03-30-2013, 07:24 PM
Why?
Because you can't build walls high enough.
JustRalph
03-30-2013, 08:22 PM
Because you can't build walls high enough.
Metaphorically speaking there needs to be some walls torn down. Those same walls that have kept blacks as a permanent underclass for 40 yrs
PaceAdvantage
03-30-2013, 09:12 PM
These guys gotta stop stealing from my PA posts
From drudge today
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bet-founder-country-would-never-tolerate-white-unemployment-14-or-15-percentImagine what black unemployment would be had there been a white president for the past 4 or 5 years... :eek: :eek:
But seriously, I hope some of Obama's most ardent supporters see what a sham this whole thing is...or maybe a phone is enough? :faint:
PaceAdvantage
03-30-2013, 09:15 PM
Metaphorically speaking there needs to be some walls torn down. Those same walls that have kept blacks as a permanent underclass for 40 yrsMaybe they shouldn't be electing the same morons who never seem to improve their lot in life...again, look at these perpetually democratically controlled inner-city disaster areas...they remain in the same, depressed state year after year...election cycle after election cycle...
Nobody seems to give a damn...and this includes those people who go to the polls...
badcompany
03-31-2013, 12:16 AM
I ran a shop in NYC. Supervised many Black and Hispanics.
Learned the business working alongside people from all over including inner city NY.
Monroe or any other place I lived or will live has zero impact at this point in my life on how i judge people including people who's claim to fame is that they have read Schopenhauer but post tons of meaningless non-sequiters
To you it's a non-sequitur, but I find it telling that guys like you and Mostpost who are quick to speak for blacks and to label people as racist choose to live in areas far removed from the results of the "Great Society" failed experiment.
To you it's a non-sequitur, but I find it telling that guys like you and Mostpost who are quick to speak for blacks and to label people as racist choose to live in areas far removed from the results of the "Great Society" failed experiment.I find it more telling to watch the hate filled edited one sided stupid video you gents post implying all blacks act and are like the woman in the video. And to watch you guys snicker and high five your own hatred and bigotry.
PaceAdvantage
04-01-2013, 04:04 AM
I find it more telling to watch the hate filled edited one sided stupid video you gents post implying all blacks act and are like the woman in the video. And to watch you guys snicker and high five your own hatred and bigotry.What a bunch of bullshit. Nobody, and I mean nobody implied such a thing.
But being a democrat, I'm not surprised you would think this way...me thinks you are projecting your own party's history of racism on the rest of us...
Snicker away from your ivory (and I do mean IVORY) tower...
Reality is such an elusive thing......
Pretty obvious you guys have tin ears.
Particularly when it cones to your own righty bigotry.
badcompany
04-01-2013, 10:06 AM
Pretty obvious you guys have tin ears.
Particularly when it cones to your own righty bigotry.
Of course, if someone were to post a video of a highly intelligent Black person like Thomas Sowell, or Dr. Ben Carson we'd be told how they're not representative.
JustRalph
04-01-2013, 10:12 AM
They aren't
And Therein lies the true fault with minorities today. Due to their reckless following of blind mice for 40 years
johnhannibalsmith
04-01-2013, 11:20 AM
They aren't
Right on, and I think it shows. Who is representative? Who are the leaders? What have they done lately?
I sort of get it. For years and decades and centuries, black leaders have always been civil rights leaders - even those whose primary role in life was that of athelete or musician - it wasn't only the political activists. They were the only tangible voices of power and authority and influence and they did wonderful things.
But the time has come, in my opinion, for blacks in particular to broaden their collective horizons and look beyond these types of leaders for guidance. The opportunity is there now. It may not be perfect and there is certainly still a place for civil rights leaders, but they can't dominate the sphere of influence over blacks. It just isn't getting them, as a group, anywhere tangible in contemporary society.
At some point you need to be willing to listen to a man or woman who isn't going to simply blame others, but one who will point out their own faults and provide a template for achievement without solely external blame. Unfortunately, because the few that fit that bill, people that probably could empower blacks to make radical, positive collective changes if they had an audience, will always be called "Uncle Tom" for not being traditional black leaders, it seems things just will remain stuck in neutral with civil rights-esque leaders getting the floor to continually reinforce that the problems facing them are entirely external.
I'm not interested in assigning blame to democrats for their policies or anything like that because I highly doubt that voting for republicans would have been the smoking gun to being in a better place. It has to come from within the community at this point, as it did for the most part at inception when they were fighting solely for basic equality under the law and within society. It just seems like a new sort of leader needs to be accepted, sans any political affiliation or motives. Legislative policy shapers aren't what is needed anymore. I'm not sure who those people are - but frankly, it seems like they are probably closer to being those that "are not representantive" than those that have been in the last few decades.
If these guys are not representative, then the Black leaders have failed all these years and need to be replaced.
TJDave
04-01-2013, 03:04 PM
And Therein lies the true fault with minorities today. Due to their reckless following of blind mice for 40 years
Which minorities?
Most are doing well.
But the time has come, in my opinion, for blacks in particular to broaden their collective horizons and look beyond these types of leaders for guidance. The opportunity is there now. It may not be perfect and there is certainly still a place for civil rights leaders, but they can't dominate the sphere of influence over blacks. It just isn't getting them, as a group, anywhere tangible in contemporary society.That kind of thinking is already done by many Blacks.
I think most conservatives are fixated on Blacks like the Obamapghone lady for erroneous reasons and at times among some this fixation borders on common prejudicial stereotypes popularized by the likes of right wing Rush Limbaugh types
A common talking point among conservatives is that Blacks do not take responsibility for their lives, and those Blacks with little education and a dead end view of their lives perpetuated by poverty and living in the inner cities, is typical of the state of Black America today It is not typical That pretty dumb individual in the Obamaphone video was pretty unenlightened and although she may represent uneducated small minded inner city Blacks, she represents a only a small slice of the reality
Blacks today, particularly the more educated and those middle class ones are guess what PEOPLE, who share many of the same concerns and understandings of the white educated middle class. I have had the opportunity to know many from "both sides of the tracks, and in my view the civil rights movement made a huge difference. The Black Middle Class began to develop in the early 1960s, when the Civil Rights Movement led to the outlawing of racial segregation and legislating other major new laws. I remember the sixties. I was an activist. I look around now and see a huge change. Not saying that bigotry is done with, but it is much much less.
There was a time when a white taking a stroll thru' Harlem was not easy, and Blacks shopping in the suburbs was difficult for almost any Black. The lady in the Obamaphone video has nothing to do with the success of that overall social policy. I will not defend her uneducated misunderstanding of that social policy that has brought about much success. Nor her obvious annoying behavior
I agree that more is needed than circa 60's civil rights thinking. But that is applicable to mostly only to folks similar to the Obamaphonre lady.
Middle class educated Blacks do that critical thinking already.
But do not assume that they are flocking to democrats because they want reparations or justice because their ancestors were slaves. They have similar views that white educated liberals have-and most of the country as well. They prefer Social Security as is, Medicare, Medicaid and other democratic POLICIES. Most citizens regardless of party do as well. And being witness to the advances since the civil rights moment heralded by major liberals like Dr Martin Luther King and the Great society of LBJ is a decent reason to vote in overwhelming majorities for the Dems
That's why guys like Thomas Sowell, or Dr. Ben Carson or Allen West are not typical.
johnhannibalsmith
04-01-2013, 05:20 PM
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That's why guys like Thomas Sowell, or Dr. Ben Carson or Allen West are not typical.
For what it's worth, I appreciate the serious reply - and I think I agree with almost everything you wrote for the most part - so maybe I just failed to get the point I was going for enunciated well.
Unfortunately, the problem as I see it is that those that may not be representative of the majority (aka Obamaphonelady) are suffering, and maybe it is unfair to use those individuals and their predicament as the stereotype, but these people are just stuck and they aren't exactly scarce.
Way too many unemployed, undereducated or outright uneducated, incarcerated - this is a real social problem that just never gets realistically addressed becuase it is just too hard for anyone of any race to speak openly about the problem.
What I don't like is that a young black man (or woman) defies the trend, he bucks the odds as they were presented to him. Makes his way through school, realizes that he can do it, that he is just as smart and capable as the white man, and goes on to achieve and ultimately excel.
He gets out - he beats the traps of inner city dilemma and then when he does and does it well - he's cast aside as 'not representative'. He's the outlier and isn't taken seriously, painted as having somehow being corrupted by white society and is actually ostracized.
Take the politics out of it - I know that's hard because the examples cited are generally politically active one way or the other - and these ARE the people that should be influencing. They are proof that unemployment or incarceration aren't almost inevitable. They don't have to be role models for political convictions, but they sure as hell make for better role models for how to break the cycle in those communities than do guys like Lil Wayne or whatever the hell passes for role models.
I don't know who the right people are, but I think it is a tremendous disservice to outright dismiss those that have made it in life, just because they "seem more white" and don't have a lot in common with Obamaphonelady. That's supposed to be a good thing. And if it isn't, what the hell is a good thing?
John, I made 2 major points. Maybe in an indirect way.
1-The problem is education and poverty. Not per se the failure of a successful social policies since the civil rights era. Although not perfect, but in evidence as a game changer
2-The Black middle class a result mainly of those social policies, does already critically thing about issues and are not being payed off by the dems with Obamaphones etc..... to vote democratic. That silly conservative meme is not why Blacks do not consider Sowell or Carson or West as one of their own in any great numbers.
Can conservatives influence Blacks in serious ways? Sure, but over the last 2 Presidential cycles they have done a piss poor job of it. I have a great respect for social workers. Particularly helping underprivileged kids in the inner city. Know a few who really care. I am not adverse to conservative approaches, but there is no evidence taking away health care or food stamps are useful, except to those ideologues on the right who believe it so.
What else do you suggest? I do admit more is needed.
johnhannibalsmith
04-01-2013, 07:00 PM
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What else do you suggest? I do admit more is needed.
I'm trying to leave the political element out of it as much as possible. There's a reason for that and I alluded to it in the first post - Yes, it is true that I think that policy has fallen short in the long run, but when you start making it out like Dems are the problem, there's an implication that Republican policy would have done a vastly superior job. I'm not buying that. It is, of course, hypothetical so you never know - but the policy that has been relied upon obviously isn't enough or quite right or something. Or maybe it isn't even really, at this point, a matter of policy. It really may just be a matter of real leaders speaking honestly and the success stories being welcomed instead of begrudged.
I love the Obamaphonelady because she's a friggin' laugh riot, but I'm not the guy that uses her to paint with a broad brush. I know it's hip for a cracker like me to act like I understand the plight because I've been there, so I'll avoid that approach too.
If I were in the position that many of these people find themselves in, I probably would be just as likely to fall into the same traps. I don't for a second believe that it is a matter of race exclusively. If I hadn't been moved out of the city in elementary school, I could easily imagine myself being one of the dropouts or expulsions chasing the easy money and fast lifestyle. Then waking up and realizing that I really have no future, no way to get ahead without playing the game and ending up being another statistic. Landing in the joint, a place where you are not rehabilitated - yeah, you can be one of the few that tries hard and gets the GED, but then you get out and nobody wants to hire you - so you end up back in the same lifestyle, and round and round and round we go.
What my answer is: I have no real idea. But I don't think that it is totally racial or beholden to the notion of policy. What bothers me is the people that I knew that could have just as easily become SOMETHING - but that wasn't cool. What was cool was all the wrong things. The easy way out was just too easy and acceptable. But it's a dead end road.
I don't think you can legislate that away. There has to be real people that can be influential. I really wish the President wasn't afraid of the political backlash that would come from speaking honestly about the need for people to take their own lives seriously and not get swept up in the belief that it has been predetermined that they will always be under the thumb of the upper classes. Absent him, I wish someone would do it. Someone that can get through. It can be done and while there may be things that can be provided to foster success better than it has been done, if there remains this pervasive attitude that this is as good as it gets, it won't matter.
A black man that tells a black kid to pull up his pants, turn off the gangsta rap as a handbook to life, forget throwing out the lame ass gang signs, pick up a book, take a hard look around at the people in the neighborhood that don't have that opportunity now, and have some pride - he shouldn't be ridiculed by his own people. And unfortunately, that's the way it is far too often. It seems like that kind of tough love is the only real first step, everything else is just window dressing.
TJDave
04-01-2013, 07:37 PM
I don't think anyone cares about the plight of the ghetto black community.
elysiantraveller
04-01-2013, 08:34 PM
I don't think anyone cares about the plight of the ghetto black community.
Nope...
Not unless they can politicize it for votes in some way or another... then they all care...
TJDave
04-01-2013, 09:06 PM
Not unless they can politicize it for votes in some way or another
Big waste of time. The voters know who cuts the checks, whom to vote for and against. Keeping these folks placated seems to be the order of the day.
What was interesting is the statement that the standard of living for 50% of the children will be lower than their parents. I think it's probably higher and I don't know how we can accept that as a society, but it's apparent we already have. Mind-boggling.
johnhannibalsmith
04-01-2013, 09:39 PM
... I don't know how we can accept that as a society, but it's apparent we already have. Mind-boggling.
We aren't allowed to talk about it in a constructive way, that's how. The side that could get away with talking about it and not be raked over the coals doesn't want to for some obvious reasons. It's a complete tragedy that TJDave is basically right, nobody really cares anymore because it is just too difficult a subject to get serious about.
TJDave
04-01-2013, 09:45 PM
It's a complete tragedy that TJDave is basically right.
Do you know my wife?
johnhannibalsmith
04-01-2013, 10:29 PM
Do you know my wife?
Send photo. I'll let you know. :D
PaceAdvantage
04-02-2013, 11:09 AM
Are you kidding me with the rant below? Could you be any more condescending and full of BS?
Yes, we all think that ALL AFRICAN-AMERICANS are like the Obamaphone lady...are you smoking crack?
Get over yourself already, won't you please? It's unbecoming.
And despite JHS's approval of your words, I think it's quite telling that you feel the need to explain to "us" that the Obamaphone lady represents a small slice of reality...gee thanks...I never would have known that if not for you...I thought every black person acted like that.... :bang: :bang: :rolleyes:
That kind of thinking is already done by many Blacks.
I think most conservatives are fixated on Blacks like the Obamapghone lady for erroneous reasons and at times among some this fixation borders on common prejudicial stereotypes popularized by the likes of right wing Rush Limbaugh types
A common talking point among conservatives is that Blacks do not take responsibility for their lives, and those Blacks with little education and a dead end view of their lives perpetuated by poverty and living in the inner cities, is typical of the state of Black America today It is not typical That pretty dumb individual in the Obamaphone video was pretty unenlightened and although she may represent uneducated small minded inner city Blacks, she represents a only a small slice of the reality
Blacks today, particularly the more educated and those middle class ones are guess what PEOPLE, who share many of the same concerns and understandings of the white educated middle class. I have had the opportunity to know many from "both sides of the tracks, and in my view the civil rights movement made a huge difference. The Black Middle Class began to develop in the early 1960s, when the Civil Rights Movement led to the outlawing of racial segregation and legislating other major new laws. I remember the sixties. I was an activist. I look around now and see a huge change. Not saying that bigotry is done with, but it is much much less.
There was a time when a white taking a stroll thru' Harlem was not easy, and Blacks shopping in the suburbs was difficult for almost any Black. The lady in the Obamaphone video has nothing to do with the success of that overall social policy. I will not defend her uneducated misunderstanding of that social policy that has brought about much success. Nor her obvious annoying behavior
I agree that more is needed than circa 60's civil rights thinking. But that is applicable to mostly only to folks similar to the Obamaphonre lady.
Middle class educated Blacks do that critical thinking already.
But do not assume that they are flocking to democrats because they want reparations or justice because their ancestors were slaves. They have similar views that white educated liberals have-and most of the country as well. They prefer Social Security as is, Medicare, Medicaid and other democratic POLICIES. Most citizens regardless of party do as well. And being witness to the advances since the civil rights moment heralded by major liberals like Dr Martin Luther King and the Great society of LBJ is a decent reason to vote in overwhelming majorities for the Dems
That's why guys like Thomas Sowell, or Dr. Ben Carson or Allen West are not typical.
badcompany
04-02-2013, 11:40 AM
Some of Hcap's best friends are black.:ThmbUp:
johnhannibalsmith
04-02-2013, 12:29 PM
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And despite JHS's approval of your words, ...
JHS was mainly interested in staying on topic and not getting diverted into a back and forth sidebar about the bait. I started to take exception to some of that stuff and then decided it was just a distraction and one of the reasons why we never get anywhere. Plus, there is a hint of merit to it - just not in the way hcap portrayed it as though it was the overriding perception of most whites that don't vote Democratic. There are obviously some people that if asked to describe "Black culture" would draw an illustration that resembles Obamaphonelady - unemployed, welfare, four baby daddy, rap aficionado. Just like those people don't represent all of black America, the ones that do have the perception that they do, they don't represent all of white (in this case, conservative, of course) America.
I didn't agree with that aspect of the post either, but I also didn't think it really warranted being dragged off on the tangent and away from focusing on the leadership/representative aspect of the topic.
PaceAdvantage
04-02-2013, 02:44 PM
I simply detested the tone he took...as if some of us need it explained to us that Obamalady isn't representative of an entire population....DUH!
Who does hcap think he's dealing with exactly? Does he actually buy into the BS he digests on a regular basis?
Who does hcap think he's dealing with exactly? Does he actually buy into the BS he digests on a regular basis?That's generally why I rarely read your nonsense. Indigestible :lol:
And yes, I really believe that Obamaphone lady video was both dumb and racist.
johnhannibalsmith
04-02-2013, 02:52 PM
I simply detested the tone he took...
:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: I know...
I just wanted to avoid one of the typical hcap/Tom style back and forths on this one particular topic because that's how this topic usually falls apart. It's hard to not object, but as soon as you do, you end up off the beaten path and into one of those all-too-common exchanges.
PaceAdvantage
04-02-2013, 03:11 PM
And yes, I really believe that Obamaphone lady video was both dumb and racist.Of course you do...
I guess I should start labeling all videos and articles and posts about Sarah Palin sexist and racist...that is what this amounts to, isn't it?
Such nonsense...your only defense some days is crying "RACIST"
It's getting old and it's getting boring...and it won't win you too many more elections...
JustRalph
04-02-2013, 03:34 PM
Racist? An impromptu encounter on the street? How was it racist? It was an accurate description of the vents that took place
You mean......typical? :lol:
NJ Stinks
04-02-2013, 04:00 PM
:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: I know...
Hard to believe you went to the above from:
For what it's worth, I appreciate the serious reply - and I think I agree with almost everything you wrote for the most part - so maybe I just failed to get the point I was going for enunciated well.
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Coming soon to a theatre near you:
Hcap: I believe in women and children first.
JHS: Me too. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
PA: You are full of BS, Hcap. And your tone is BS too! :mad:
JHS: Yea, you are right, of course, PA. :jump: I just didn't want to turn this thread into another Lifeboat drama.
badcompany
04-02-2013, 04:01 PM
Racist? An impromptu encounter on the street? How was it racist? It was an accurate description of the events that took place
Because a member of an "oppressed" group was held to standards.
Had it been a white redneck spouting similar illiterate nonsense, Hcap would've had a good laugh.
It's called "Moral Relativism."
johnhannibalsmith
04-02-2013, 04:08 PM
Hard to believe you went to the above from:
...
What is so hard to understand? "I agree with almost everything..."
Did you read his entire post? Pace Advantage objected to one facet of it. I chose to focus on the other 66% of the post, the last six paragraphs, and not get dragged into the Dem/Repub/Liberal/Conservative stereotype go-round... and you want to give me shit for it?
You think I should have jumped hcap's shit for something that we belabor constantly with no viable outcome and just ignore the rest of it so we can line up in our normal teams and fight over the silly stuff?
This idiocy is why nobody will ever get anywhere. I'm not interested in whether hcap thinks conservatives are racists. I'm not interested in what party Byrd was in. It's played out over and over. None of that fingerpointing bullshit is ever going to help a single black family, so if you just want to argue that stuff, fine, go for it. I understand the argument, I've heard it ten thousand times. Pardon me for finding it the height of boredom and counterproductivity at this point.
johnhannibalsmith
04-02-2013, 04:12 PM
Had it been a white redneck spouting similar illiterate nonsense, Hcap would've had a good laugh.
...
There are some fabulous "typical Romney voter" videos out there just like Obamaphonelady. They are almost as funny as the Obamaphonelady Remix track.
NJ Stinks
04-02-2013, 04:26 PM
What is so hard to understand? "I agree with almost everything..."
Did you read his entire post? Pace Advantage objected to one facet of it. I chose to focus on the other 66% of the post, the last six paragraphs, and not get dragged into the Dem/Repub/Liberal/Conservative stereotype go-round... and you want to give me shit for it?
You think I should have jumped hcap's shit for something that we belabor constantly with no viable outcome and just ignore the rest of it so we can line up in our normal teams and fight over the silly stuff?
This idiocy is why nobody will ever get anywhere. I'm not interested in whether hcap thinks conservatives are racists. I'm not interested in what party Byrd was in. It's played out over and over. None of that fingerpointing bullshit is ever going to help a single black family, so if you just want to argue that stuff, fine, go for it. I understand the argument, I've heard it ten thousand times. Pardon me for finding it the height of boredom and counterproductivity at this point.
I'll reserve comment until PA tells us what he thinks about the above. It may save me a little time in the highly likely event that you change your tune. :p :)
johnhannibalsmith
04-02-2013, 04:29 PM
I'll reserve comment until PA tells us what he thinks about the above. It may save me a little time in the highly likely event that you change your tune. :p :)
You have no comment because you have nothing to say. Why don't you go line by line in my multi-paragraph post and address each and every sentence? Don't take it as a whole, but break it down into individual clauses and react to every single last thing. Then when you are so far off topic, explain to me what the **** the point was.
But I don't blame you for wanting to avoid the actual topic and worry about trivial shit. I wouldn't want to have to deal with the issue either when you are one of those that takes great credit for all the wonderful things you and your ilk (by proxy safely from the cheering section as usual) have done to improve the lives of those people.
Dope.
johnhannibalsmith
04-02-2013, 04:44 PM
...
Dope.
Forgot something like this... :p :rolleyes: :kiss:
I'd hate for you to think I really believe you are dope with nothing to add... :lol:
TJDave
04-02-2013, 04:56 PM
Maybe they shouldn't be electing the same morons who never seem to improve their lot in life...again, look at these perpetually democratically controlled inner-city disaster areas...they remain in the same, depressed state year after year...election cycle after election cycle...
Nobody seems to give a damn...and this includes those people who go to the polls...
How would electing republicans help these folks?
What would a republican administration do differently?
NJ Stinks
04-02-2013, 06:31 PM
You have no comment because you have nothing to say. Why don't you go line by line in my multi-paragraph post and address each and every sentence? Don't take it as a whole, but break it down into individual clauses and react to every single last thing. Then when you are so far off topic, explain to me what the **** the point was.
But I don't blame you for wanting to avoid the actual topic and worry about trivial shit. I wouldn't want to have to deal with the issue either when you are one of those that takes great credit for all the wonderful things you and your ilk (by proxy safely from the cheering section as usual) have done to improve the lives of those people.
Dope.
And to think all I was trying to do was tease you on a slow Tuesday afternoon....
OK. My comment on the subject says that Hcap nailed all that is true with the quote below:
But do not assume that they are flocking to democrats because they want reparations or justice because their ancestors were slaves. They have similar views that white educated liberals have-and most of the country as well. They prefer Social Security as is, Medicare, Medicaid and other democratic POLICIES. Most citizens regardless of party do as well. And being witness to the advances since the civil rights moment heralded by major liberals like Dr Martin Luther King and the Great society of LBJ is a decent reason to vote in overwhelming majorities for the Dems
That's why guys like Thomas Sowell, or Dr. Ben Carson or Allen West are not typical.
So conservatives can cry all they want about liberals trying to make West or Carlson look bad so blacks will continue to vote Democratic. The fact is Democrats need not think twice about West or Carlson. West and Carlson don't share the same beliefs as the vast majority of their race.
badcompany
04-02-2013, 06:48 PM
And to think all I was trying to do was tease you on a slow Tuesday afternoon....
OK. My comment on the subject says that Hcap nailed all that is true with the quote below:
So conservatives can cry all they want about liberals trying to make West or Carlson look bad so blacks will continue to vote Democratic. The fact is Democrats need not think twice about West or Carlson. West and Carlson don't share the same beliefs as the vast majority of their race.
Considering that Romney won the white vote, neither do you. :lol:
johnhannibalsmith
04-02-2013, 06:57 PM
And to think all I was trying to do was tease you on a slow Tuesday afternoon....
I'm going to parse this one, just for you so you don't get the wrong idea about what I agree with and what I disagree with. :lol:
I always appreciate the teasing... usually... but I always enjoy it when you post... usually... :D
It takes a certain amount of restraint on my part to NOT focus on the political elements or the stereotypes and nitpick at that stuff, but that was basically the whole point of my objection to the way that certain successful black men are treated. They are role models. Perhaps not politically, but that shouldn't matter when you are talking about that certain segment of this population that we are talking about. These men should not be ostracized from the race because of their politics, they should be embraced as an example of what can be and that to use the line again, what is the expectation of those in that situation, is not, as good as it gets.
OK. My comment on the subject says that Hcap nailed all that is true with the quote below:
I agree for the most part. I'm not part of any group that thinks that blacks are after backdoor reparations in the form of endentured servitude to government giveaways. I just don't think that there is ANYONE doing enough to show them the path beyond that standard. Some will say that Dems want them there - nursing on the teet - I'm not that far in the camp, but those who these people WILL listen to need to maybe take it a step farther in weaning them. Again, I'm trying to leave politics out of it so that we don't get all hung up on me saying something so brazen or hcap making wild declarations about who is racist based on affiliation. It doesn't help. But since you want it all, you can have it. :D
So conservatives can cry all they want about liberals trying to make West or Carlson look bad so blacks will continue to vote Democratic. The fact is Democrats need not think twice about West or Carlson. West and Carlson don't share the same beliefs as the vast majority of their race.
Again, not my point, not the direction I tried to go with it. The point was that for those that need to just be aware that a guy like Carlson can escape the traps that so many face and actually become an esteemed neurosurgeon makes him a worthy influence. Forget the politics of it. Just take that element out of it. The role model. If he never spoke a bad word about Obama or made a single political reference, there's no reason why he couldn't be an influential figure for youth. But the problem is that because of his politics, he automatically is Uncle Tom. That's just silly. There's no good reason why he's treated that way and Lil Wayne or Snoop Dogg/Lion is cannonized as a hero.
For this segment of the population, it's really about time for politics to take a backseat and just try to do something useful and tangible. As I said repeatedly, I happen to think it needs to come from within to be meaningful and that policy isn't goint to change it. At some point, people's opinions on things like the role of government or the president or whatever needs to be valued less than that person's potential to influence others that he or she can influence just be being a stellar example of how to achieve, regardless of what that achievement entails (the exception being rap star soon to be gunned down in a Vegas drive-by).
I'm only being redundant for your benefit because I know it takes four or twelve times for it to sink it that not everything is easily boxed together like a Crossfire segment. This is one of those things that if you could get Obama and Carlson to actually care and do something useful TOGETHER and put politics aside, that's the type of influence that could actually do something - putting aside petty differences for the greater benefit to others.
PaceAdvantage
04-02-2013, 10:54 PM
How would electing republicans help these folks?
What would a republican administration do differently?Who said anything about Republicans? I certainly did not...
PaceAdvantage
04-02-2013, 10:57 PM
There's a reason JHS is one of my favorite posters here in off-topic...reply #81 is an example of why...
NJ Stinks
04-03-2013, 12:21 AM
Considering that Romney won the white vote, neither do you. :lol:
You got me! :ThmbUp:
NJ Stinks
04-03-2013, 12:32 AM
I'm going to parse this one, just for you so you don't get the wrong idea about what I agree with and what I disagree with. :lol:
I always appreciate the teasing... usually... but I always enjoy it when you post... usually... :D
It takes a certain amount of restraint on my part to NOT focus on the political elements or the stereotypes and nitpick at that stuff, but that was basically the whole point of my objection to the way that certain successful black men are treated. They are role models. Perhaps not politically, but that shouldn't matter when you are talking about that certain segment of this population that we are talking about. These men should not be ostracized from the race because of their politics, they should be embraced as an example of what can be and that to use the line again, what is the expectation of those in that situation, is not, as good as it gets.
I agree for the most part. I'm not part of any group that thinks that blacks are after backdoor reparations in the form of endentured servitude to government giveaways. I just don't think that there is ANYONE doing enough to show them the path beyond that standard. Some will say that Dems want them there - nursing on the teet - I'm not that far in the camp, but those who these people WILL listen to need to maybe take it a step farther in weaning them. Again, I'm trying to leave politics out of it so that we don't get all hung up on me saying something so brazen or hcap making wild declarations about who is racist based on affiliation. It doesn't help. But since you want it all, you can have it. :D
Again, not my point, not the direction I tried to go with it. The point was that for those that need to just be aware that a guy like Carlson can escape the traps that so many face and actually become an esteemed neurosurgeon makes him a worthy influence. Forget the politics of it. Just take that element out of it. The role model. If he never spoke a bad word about Obama or made a single political reference, there's no reason why he couldn't be an influential figure for youth. But the problem is that because of his politics, he automatically is Uncle Tom. That's just silly. There's no good reason why he's treated that way and Lil Wayne or Snoop Dogg/Lion is cannonized as a hero.
For this segment of the population, it's really about time for politics to take a backseat and just try to do something useful and tangible. As I said repeatedly, I happen to think it needs to come from within to be meaningful and that policy isn't goint to change it. At some point, people's opinions on things like the role of government or the president or whatever needs to be valued less than that person's potential to influence others that he or she can influence just be being a stellar example of how to achieve, regardless of what that achievement entails (the exception being rap star soon to be gunned down in a Vegas drive-by).
I'm only being redundant for your benefit because I know it takes four or twelve times for it to sink it that not everything is easily boxed together like a Crossfire segment. This is one of those things that if you could get Obama and Carlson to actually care and do something useful TOGETHER and put politics aside, that's the type of influence that could actually do something - putting aside petty differences for the greater benefit to others.
I think you make good points above too. Dr. Carlson and the President are both good role models for their race. In fact, I believe they are great role models Period.
TJDave
04-03-2013, 03:30 AM
Who said anything about Republicans? I certainly did not...
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Maybe they shouldn't be electing the same morons who never seem to improve their lot in life...again, look at these perpetually democratically controlled inner-city disaster areas...they remain in the same, depressed state year after year...election cycle after election cycle...
So, different morons to you means ...electing representatives of the Martian party?
newtothegame
04-03-2013, 04:40 AM
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Maybe they shouldn't be electing the same morons who never seem to improve their lot in life...again, look at these perpetually democratically controlled inner-city disaster areas...they remain in the same, depressed state year after year...election cycle after election cycle...
So, different morons to you means ...electing representatives of the Martian party?
It's quite possible pace was referring to electing the SAME politician over and over such as Reid, Pelosi, Vitter, etc etc....
I know myself, I would love to see term limits (although the likelihood of them voting themselves to term limits is slim to none). :lol:
JHS was mainly interested in staying on topic and not getting diverted into a back and forth sidebar about the bait. I started to take exception to some of that stuff and then decided it was just a distraction and one of the reasons why we never get anywhere. Plus, there is a hint of merit to it - just not in the way hcap portrayed it as though it was the overriding perception of most whites that don't vote Democratic. There are obviously some people that if asked to describe "Black culture" would draw an illustration that resembles Obamaphonelady - unemployed, welfare, four baby daddy, rap aficionado. Just like those people don't represent all of black America, the ones that do have the perception that they do, they don't represent all of white (in this case, conservative, of course) America.
I didn't agree with that aspect of the post either, but I also didn't think it really warranted being dragged off on the tangent and away from focusing on the leadership/representative aspect of the topic.You do realize that the republicans/conservatives made it about politics....
CNN...
In a conference call with donors, Romney attributed his loss to the president playing Santa Claus by showering minorities and young voters with "gifts" -- health care, student loans and those things Americans clearly don't need.
"The Obama campaign was following the old playbook of giving a lot of stuff to groups that they hoped they could get to vote for them and be motivated to go out to the polls, specifically the African-American community, the Hispanic community and young people," Romney said during the conference call. "In each case they were very generous in what they gave to those groups."
"With regards to African-American voters, 'Obamacare' was a huge plus -- and was highly motivational to African-American voters. You can imagine for somebody making $25-, or $30-, or $35,000 a year, being told 'You're now going to get free health care' -- particularly if you don't have it, getting free health care worth, what, $10,000 a family, in perpetuity -- I mean this is huge. Likewise with Hispanic voters, free health care was a big plus."
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It is a fair bet that most of you gents believe this. This not only is a repub talking point out there it is an overwhelming rightie talking point here on OT.
It is very difficult for many of the lefty loyal opposition here NOT to view the Obamaphone lady video as not following this political meme, as well as NOT containing racial overtones. Although according to you John, it is only "amusing" and does not have much racial content. Maybe for you,.....
..... but I find that hard to believe among others here. Be that as it may, and maybe I am reading to much into racial comments made here, but the only solution you suggested was some sort of tough love. I agree but there is an underlying republican/conservative policy of cutting SPENDING on social programs which many on the left find counterproductive . As I said, cutting health care, food stamps, head start programs, pre-school funds makes the situation much worse.
So what actual programs do you suggest to help black inner city kids? Other than black role models speaking out?
Ho Ho Ho.
hcap - you are a funny guy! :lol:
Nothing stopping you from suggesting what to do.
Try not to talk only about anchors, takers, and cutting programs. :)
I talk about personal responsibility, too.
I talk about cutting waste - we have billions of dollars being pissed away and your boy will not d a thing to stoop a penny of it.
Why should I pay taxes while the door to our vault is open and money is flowing out?
There is more to life than a liberal feel good outlook.
Try hard work and hard choices. Obama needs a few less round of golf and few more work days.
And when half the country depends on the other half - I call that an anchor.
PaceAdvantage
04-03-2013, 10:42 AM
Whatever gets the job done, brother...
So, different morons to you means ...electing representatives of the Martian party?
johnhannibalsmith
04-03-2013, 11:12 AM
You do realize that the republicans/conservatives made it about politics....
You do realize that I didn't support nor vote for Romney. Nor for McCain. Nor for Bush Jr, part II. Conservatives generally don't claim me as one, but liberals insist that I am one. I also made it fairly clear in one of those posts that there was merit to what you posted, but that I didn't feel that it accurately portrayed "conservatives" as a group. But since you are convinced that all conservatives worship at the Palin altar and listen to Glen Beck 24/7 while outfitted in tinfoil and Rugers, I'm not under the impression that you are persuadable or have any interest in thinking otherwise at all. Exactly why I ignored it the first time - here we are, right where I didn't want to be.
It is very difficult for many of the lefty loyal opposition here NOT to view the Obamaphone lady video as not following this political meme, as well as NOT containing racial overtones. Although according to you John, it is only "amusing" and does not have much racial content. Maybe for you,.....
I like Homey the Clown. I've actually seen CB4 and even some parts of those Ice Cube pot smoking movies. Obamaphonelady is a pretty tame caricature of inner city dwellers. And yes, she cracks me up. If that makes me racist, by golly, racism has come a long way. Guilty as charged, along with just about everyone else if we've loosened the standards to such an extreme that the word is officially dead.
[/B] I agree but there is an underlying republican/conservative policy of cutting SPENDING on social programs which many on the left find counterproductive . As I said, cutting health care, food stamps, head start programs, pre-school funds makes the situation much worse.
So what actual programs do you suggest to help black inner city kids? Other than black role models speaking out?
I've never vocalized a desire to cut those programs. But, who wants to work there implementing those programs? This is part of the rub and why I'm open to good legislative ideas and programs - but we have many of those and have had for decades. If they aren't being used in a way that is maximizing their potential, then what good is layering another program on top of those that exist? This is so simple. I know you want to, and not just you but most of America, believe that if we just pass another law, program, or whatever, the next one will be the answer.
We're a bunch of self-aggrandizing eggheaded viruses in shoes that think that we can fix any problem from the outside with a few snappy ideas declaring you do this and that or else. I will repeat it again - Yes, I think FIRST and FOREMOST there needs to be way, way more attention paid to the problem. Not like in the food boxes for kids in Africa way, but the PROBLEM needs attention. Identifying the problem. Admitting the problem. Far too many aren't even under the impression that the road does lead out of town. Maybe you want more from me. I see more, without step one, as a waste of time. How are you or I or Jerry Bailey going to get the message out? Great, we can pass another bill. Perhaps, as naively simple as it sounds, it will be just as underutilized and unnecessarily ineffective as all the previous, because there's just not enough attention paid to the fact that it isn't simply a lifepreserver, but its supposed to be a friggin' tugboat.
B*R*E*A*K*I*N*G N*E*W*S
1. The election was about politics.
2. Polar bears can't swim too far
3. Ice melts when it gets warm out
4. It's been a lot warmer before.
Film at 11
I talk about personal responsibility, too.
I talk about cutting waste - we have billions of dollars being pissed away and your boy will not d a thing to stoop a penny of it.
Why should I pay taxes while the door to our vault is open and money is flowing out?
There is more to life than a liberal feel good outlook.
Try hard work and hard choices. Obama needs a few less round of golf and few more work days.
And when half the country depends on the other half - I call that an anchor.Typical :)
You do realize that I didn't support nor vote for Romney. Nor for McCain. Nor for Bush Jr, part II. Conservatives generally don't claim me as one, but liberals insist that I am one. I also made it fairly clear in one of those posts that there was merit to what you posted, but that I didn't feel that it accurately portrayed "conservatives" as a group. But since you are convinced that all conservatives worship at the Palin altar and listen to Glen Beck 24/7 while outfitted in tinfoil and Rugers, I'm not under the impression that you are persuadable or have any interest in thinking otherwise at all. Exactly why I ignored it the first time - here we are, right where I didn't want to be.
I asked for Tom to post what he thinks we should do and he reverted to type. I am assuming of course a bit of usual Tom type satire in the mix, but nevertheless his answer is why liberals pull their hair out. Assuming they have any left. I see all different sorts of views among conservatives, but yes the most apparent and loudest at the moment is the Tom/Hannity/Palin axis.... (of evil? :lol: ). ... We are back to politics because one of my main points was legislation works, and your contrasting weariness that it does not. And your aversion to layering new laws on top of the old, unfortunately stirs up all sorts of political polarities.
I like Homey the Clown. I've actually seen CB4 and even some parts of those Ice Cube pot smoking movies. Obamaphonelady is a pretty tame caricature of inner city dwellers. And yes, she cracks me up. If that makes me racist, by golly, racism has come a long way. Guilty as charged, along with just about everyone else if we've loosened the standards to such an extreme that the word is officially dead.
Ok, maybe it is my age showing and since my tastes in African American music is Jazz , blues and guys specifically like the MJQ and M. Davis, and because I find Rap unalienable except for the occasional interesting lyric or studio created hook, and since I find gandsta' rap crap, I particularly see racism in the Obamaphone lady video. But I can tell you most Blacks I speak to do as well.
I've never vocalized a desire to cut those programs. But, who wants to work there implementing those programs? This is part of the rub and why I'm open to good legislative ideas and programs - but we have many of those and have had for decades. If they aren't being used in a way that is maximizing their potential, then what good is layering another program on top of those that exist? This is so simple. I know you want to, and not just you but most of America, believe that if we just pass another law, program, or whatever, the next one will be the answer.
You look at this as throwing good money after bad and just a bigger boondoggle. Many do not and once again the fixation on this issue brings politics back in focus. As I mentioned I know many working in the inner city--social workers. Their complaints are mostly about cutbacks that have limited what they can do. And yes a strong reaction to a bloated bureaucracy that stands in their way. Liberals and progressives are not monolithic one note 'ers just like conservatives are not. I even suspect that there are some smart legislators that are not political all the time and they work on problems as to what has to be done, not as only acting out which party they serve.
We're a bunch of self-aggrandizing eggheaded viruses in shoes that think that we can fix any problem from the outside with a few snappy ideas declaring you do this and that or else. I will repeat it again - Yes, I think FIRST and FOREMOST there needs to be way, way more attention paid to the problem. Not like in the food boxes for kids in Africa way, but the PROBLEM needs attention. Identifying the problem. Admitting the problem. Far too many aren't even under the impression that the road does lead out of town. Maybe you want more from me. I see more, without step one, as a waste of time. How are you or I or Jerry Bailey going to get the message out? Great, we can pass another bill. Perhaps, as naively simple as it sounds, it will be just as underutilized and unnecessarily ineffective as all the previous, because there's just not enough attention paid to the fact that it isn't simply a lifepreserver, but its supposed to be a friggin' tugboat. I agree with dealing with the problems on a practical do what works, as efficiently as possible level. And I think most of us, no matter what our affiliations are, agree as well.
But once again I ask you and anyone else--what should it be? Practicaly.
I will not accept only Toms' world......There is more to life than a liberal feel good outlook. Try hard work and hard choices. Obama needs a few less round of golf and few more work days.Golf? P-u-u-u-l-e-a-s-s-e-e-e :cool:
Golf? P-u-u-u-l-e-a-s-s-e-e-e :cool:
Typical response.
It was big deal when Bush played, but then he stoppedoutof respect, so suddenly it is no longer a big deal, even when the current Idiot N Cheif plays far more gold than he does actually working.
Let me ask a serious question...if he were to actually step up and show some leadership, which he has NEVER done at any level, would be burst into flames?
badcompany
04-03-2013, 03:14 PM
Liberal policies create a train wreck, then you ask us what we should do about it.
The truth is there are no good solutions. Either you maintain the status quo, the failed welfare state, or sacrifice this generation and hope the next can be raised in a way that encourages self sufficiency.
johnhannibalsmith
04-03-2013, 03:26 PM
...But once again I ask you and anyone else--what should it be? Practicaly.
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It's too hard to dig through that reply and pull out the pieces since you did it mostpost style and honestly, there's not much more to be said on any of those things anyway. I'll say that if blacks find the Obamaphonelady Remix track racist but can make a movie song like Straight Outta Locash into a top 50 hit, then nobody has a genuine, consistent position on such things.
Again, no point beating this dead horse, I find both entertaining the same way I find mockery of redneck stereotypes comical, or even religious stereotypes comical at times. Its hard to use signatures from the likes of Hicks and Carlin and not admit it, so I find it disingenuous when folks that hold those types of comics up as heros pretend that they just can't stomach that kind of humor in another context. I'll dig up a You-Tube of Straight Outta Locash if I can find one- be warned, it's nasty, filthy, full of inner city stereotypes and pretty funny.
Did you ever see that movie back a few decades ago with Morgan Freeman playing the school principal at the inner city school? Stand By Me, I believe. Yeah, it's a dramatization, but that's what I'd like to see - times 25,000,000,000. That's the kind of policy I'd like to see. Human intervention from someone that is allowed to intervene and be taken seriously.
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We keep hearing how Clinton left a surplus for Bush to blow.
Let's assume, to humor hcap, that this was true.
Then should we not go back to the policies of Clinton that worked so well?
Aiming towards a balanced budget, reduction of welfare in favor of workfare?
Clearly, the policies of Obama will not yield the results Clinton got.
It's too hard to dig through that reply and pull out the pieces since you did it mostpost style and honestly, there's not much more to be said on any of those things anyway. I'll say that if blacks find the Obamaphonelady Remix track racist but can make a movie song like Straight Outta Locash into a top 50 hit, then nobody has a genuine, consistent position on such things.
Again, no point beating this dead horse, I find both entertaining the same way I find mockery of redneck stereotypes comical, or even religious stereotypes comical at times. Its hard to use signatures from the likes of Hicks and Carlin and not admit it, so I find it disingenuous when folks that hold those types of comics up as heros pretend that they just can't stomach that kind of humor in another context. I'll dig up a You-Tube of Straight Outta Locash if I can find one- be warned, it's nasty, filthy, full of inner city stereotypes and pretty funny.
Did you ever see that movie back a few decades ago with Morgan Freeman playing the school principal at the inner city school? Stand By Me, I believe. Yeah, it's a dramatization, but that's what I'd like to see - times 25,000,000,000. That's the kind of policy I'd like to see. Human intervention from someone that is allowed to intervene and be taken seriously.Huh? Sorry you don't like "Mostpost style". Look, the simple truth is that the objections by Blacks and most others to the Obamaphone lady video, was that it was intrinsically tied to a political righty agenda which used an Obama "wasteful" policy (which it wasn't) and linked that with a painful embarrassing portrayal of a black stereotype blowing "dog whistles" and nudging elbows to whites---NOT BLACKS. Blacks were insulted by the portrayal and apparent exaggeration of Black stupidity. You may have found it amusing as many conservatives on this board have, but tell me what your Black friends--have to say. I am sure non serious immature street kids will find it amusing just to make fun of the apparent dumbness, but Black folks who are critical thinkers and as most are Left leaning, will not.
Here are your guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwc4gCVXTcM
And? Where is the humor :) How can anyone consider this satire? Just another form of sensationalism. Not even worth censoring.
Just more profanity. I just removed the embed screen as I am sure PA will not want this much profanity on his board
johnhannibalsmith
04-03-2013, 04:50 PM
.... . How can anyone consider this satire? ...
Laf... See, I think this statement probably clarifies why we probably feel the same way about the serious elements, but look at elements of the picture differently. I am younger than you are. I was still young enough to actually enjoy NWA as something of a breakthrough, if not pretty assaultive, type of expression for part of the population. I don't think even NWA believed that they would be received as folk heros and the lifestyle glamorized and emulated as actually something to aspire to.
But that's beside the point... it just kind of points out one reason why we aren't singing in harmony on this tangent...
I'm not going to sit here and say that I don't understand the point of view that you bring, but I just don't see everything as political at its core. I will grant you that without doubt, the Obamaphonelady was presented to some measure in the context of typical Obama voter - but that's a stunt that's pulled all the time on people of all walks of life, whether Howard Stern or the late night hosts.
I don't think I've actually ever seen the original Obamaphonelady video, just the Remix video set to the rap style beat. There are some things that are just better laughed at than taken seriously - by either side - either pretending that it actually depicts an entire bloc of people or by pretending that an entire bloc of people thinks that it depicts an entire bloc of people - in a serious way.
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