Delta cancels after running two races on a fast track?

[Vinman]

Anyone know why they cancelled tonite? Couldn't find any explaination on their website.

Vinman

[lamboguy]

i feel like i just won about $300, its the best news i've had in ages

[ronsmac]

i feel like i just won about $300, its the best news i've had in ages
I take it you're not a big fan of Delta.

[Stillriledup]

Anyone know why they cancelled tonite? Couldn't find any explaination on their website.

Vinman

Someone on TVG (Gino?) said there was some sort of electrical problem, who knows.

[Robert Goren]

Someone on TVG (Gino?) said there was some sort of electrical problem, who knows.Possible, they haven't quite figured out electricity in Louisiana yet. :bang: :rolleyes:

[ArlJim78]

you've got to love PM thoroughbred action, the execution, way it runs like a well oiled machine.

the electrical failures.
the late jockey changes.
the horses returning to the paddock for equipment adjustments.
the tote delays.
the late scratches.
the "lighting system needs to be rebooted" slight delay (Sam Houston tonight)

[jdhanover]

you've got to love PM thoroughbred action, the execution, way it runs like a well oiled machine.

the electrical failures.
the late jockey changes.
the horses returning to the paddock for equipment adjustments.
the tote delays.
the late scratches.
the "lighting system needs to be rebooted" slight delay (Sam Houston tonight)

Just like this year's Super Bowl..... :lol:

[Stillriledup]

you've got to love PM thoroughbred action, the execution, way it runs like a well oiled machine.

the electrical failures.
the late jockey changes.
the horses returning to the paddock for equipment adjustments.
the tote delays.
the late scratches.
the "lighting system needs to be rebooted" slight delay (Sam Houston tonight)

Not to forget the ULTIMATE equipment changes not being announced until 4 minutes to post. :D

[ArlJim78]

the one that always gets me is the late jockey change. why? change of heart? needs to take a dump? doesn't want to miss seinfeld?

[duncan04]

the one that always gets me is the late jockey change. why? change of heart? needs to take a dump? doesn't want to miss seinfeld?


Sometimes they don't like the way the horse is warming up.

[Stillriledup]

the one that always gets me is the late jockey change. why? change of heart? needs to take a dump? doesn't want to miss seinfeld?

When i see these late jock changes from "top" guys to Joe Blow, i get concerned that the top guy hated the way the horse warmed up and was like "im not riding this one". Jocks won't scratch a horse too often, so they'll just get the last man standing to ride.

This happened at Delta recently (of all places!) one of the top guys got off a horse in the post parade, some 1% rider who can barely sit on a horse got on and the horse jogged (if i remember correctly) and paid a great price. He either jogged or raced a hole in the wind and just got beat.

Its either this...or a rerun of the Soup Nazi. ;)

[johnhannibalsmith]

...Jocks won't scratch a horse too often...

Yeah, like never. The track vet will. And if he sends it back to the paddock for another rider, he wasn't seeing what the jock was complaining about.

It's also the rare case that the named rider is riding a little hurt that day, or hurts himself warming up, and just can't collect himself in the few minutes before the outrider calls them to post.

[SandyW]

With all this crap going on, is it any wonder that it is getting harder and harder to cash a ticket.

[Stillriledup]

Yeah, like never. The track vet will. And if he sends it back to the paddock for another rider, he wasn't seeing what the jock was complaining about.

It's also the rare case that the named rider is riding a little hurt that day, or hurts himself warming up, and just can't collect himself in the few minutes before the outrider calls them to post.

The track vet will scratch if the jock says "hey doc, he doesnt feel right". If Gary Stevens or a McCarron or a Jerry bailey tells the vet this one is "off" is the vet going to say "get in that gate and stop complaining".

I dont know exactly how it works but i have to imagine if the jock tells the vet the horse is off and he doesnt want to ride him, i gotta think the vet is going to call in the scratch.

is this not how it works?

[johnhannibalsmith]

The track vet will scratch if the jock says "hey doc, he doesnt feel right". If Gary Stevens or a McCarron or a Jerry bailey tells the vet this one is "off" is the vet going to say "get in that gate and stop complaining".

I dont know exactly how it works but i have to imagine if the jock tells the vet the horse is off and he doesnt want to ride him, i gotta think the vet is going to call in the scratch.

is this not how it works?

I just explained it to you. A vet will either call a rider over if he sees something he doesn't like or the rider will bring it to the vet if he feels something he doesn't like. The vet makes the decision to scratch or not. If he decides that in his opinion that the rider's concern is unfounded, the named jock is excused from the mount, and the horse is returned to the paddock for a late change - generally the 1%er you referred to who is there all day in the room as the "room rider", and whose job is to basically be the guy that will pick up anything that comes open since most other top jocks don't jump at the chance to rider something that another jock declines to ride.

Sometimes jocks have their minds made up going in that they really don't want to ride one and go out there knowing that if they make it out of the paddock and the horse ends up scratched based on their complaint to the vet, they're going to get paid.

Nowhere did I even remotely imply that a vet is going to force a jock to ride. If nobody in the room wants to pick it up, he's a scratch, but not a vet scratch, thus no list.

[Stillriledup]

I just explained it to you. A vet will either call a rider over if he sees something he doesn't like or the rider will bring it to the vet if he feels something he doesn't like. The vet makes the decision to scratch or not. If he decides that in his opinion that the rider's concern is unfounded, the named jock is excused from the mount, and the horse is returned to the paddock for a late change - generally the 1%er you referred to who is there all day in the room as the "room rider", and whose job is to basically be the guy that will pick up anything that comes open since most other top jocks don't jump at the chance to rider something that another jock declines to ride.

Sometimes jocks have their minds made up going in that they really don't want to ride one and go out there knowing that if they make it out of the paddock and the horse ends up scratched based on their complaint to the vet, they're going to get paid.

Nowhere did I even remotely imply that a vet is going to force a jock to ride. If nobody in the room wants to pick it up, he's a scratch, but not a vet scratch, thus no list.

I think you implied that the vet has ultimate power and my point was that jocks 'play vet' quite often, that's all i was saying.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I think you implied that the vet has ultimate power and my point was that jocks 'play vet' quite often, that's all i was saying.

In terms of calling up to the stewards and ordering a late vet scratch or a return to the paddock for a rider change, the vet does have the ultimate power.

If you want to backtrack some and restate it as more often than not, the vet will defer to the rider, then yes, obviously he/she will. Why wouldn't he/she? It's a horrible predicament to be in if you're the vet and the rider is jogging forty miles for your observation and clearly doesn't want to ride the horse, but you aren't seeing any problem.

Do you rely on your own expertise in spotting lameness and ultimately run the risk of being wrong and looking like a son of a bitch if you send the horse back for another rider and something happens? Do you remove a betting interest from the field at the most inopportune moment which is never a big hit with your boss in management even though you see no reason to scratch the horse?

It's a tough situation and often the reputation of the rider in such situation plays a role in the ultimate decision.

Considering the whole conversation began with a scenario where there was a late change, the whole premise is that yes, jocks do play vet when they are trying to protect themselves, but ultimately, they aren't the vet and that's why you end up with a lot of those "#6 Will Return To The Paddock For a Late Rider Change" graphics on the television monitors.

[Stillriledup]

In terms of calling up to the stewards and ordering a late vet scratch or a return to the paddock for a rider change, the vet does have the ultimate power.

If you want to backtrack some and restate it as more often than not, the vet will defer to the rider, then yes, obviously he/she will. Why wouldn't he/she? It's a horrible predicament to be in if you're the vet and the rider is jogging forty miles for your observation and clearly doesn't want to ride the horse, but you aren't seeing any problem.

Do you rely on your own expertise in spotting lameness and ultimately run the risk of being wrong and looking like a son of a bitch if you send the horse back for another rider and something happens? Do you remove a betting interest from the field at the most inopportune moment which is never a big hit with your boss in management even though you see no reason to scratch the horse?

It's a tough situation and often the reputation of the rider in such situation plays a role in the ultimate decision.

Considering the whole conversation began with a scenario where there was a late change, the whole premise is that yes, jocks do play vet when they are trying to protect themselves, but ultimately, they aren't the vet and that's why you end up with a lot of those "#6 Will Return To The Paddock For a Late Rider Change" graphics on the television monitors.

I think that you see the late jock change more at B tracks than the A tracks. I can't remember the last time i saw a situation like this at Santa Anita or Del mar, but it seems to happen more frequently at Delta or some other place like that.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I think that you see the late jock change more at B tracks than the A tracks. I can't remember the last time i saw a situation like this at Santa Anita or Del mar, but it seems to happen more frequently at Delta or some other place like that.

Absolutely true.

[lamboguy]

I take it you're not a big fan of Delta. love every race track! i have been having my troubles lately with Charlietown and Delta, but those tracks give you the biggest bang for your buck so i look at them every day they run hoping to turn it around soon in those places.

[Stillriledup]

love every race track! i have been having my troubles lately with Charlietown and Delta, but those tracks give you the biggest bang for your buck so i look at them every day they run hoping to turn it around soon in those places.

The key to Chucktown is to find value on closers, even though that place is a bullring, its REALLY hard to wire the field there, jocks really ride at this place, hardly a race goes by where someone gets a lone lead and nobody pressures him. Guys' race horses' there, sometimes you can bet against a short priced speed at 7F from post 1 knowing he will get the lead and get hounded all the way.

CT is also a great 'warmup' track, the camera guy does a great job following horses warming up, that's an edge you have if you know what to look for.

[proximity]

love every race track! i have been having my troubles lately with Charlietown ......

me too. usually i'm real strong there, but lately i've been getting clear leads or perfect trips in striking position but keep getting beat late by jd acosta. had like an 11-1 tonight just get nailed late. wish they would've got that big snowstorm!!

[Lasix67]

Hey, hey Robert..... :rolleyes:

[Stillriledup]

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Another electrical problem. Embarrassing.

[jballscalls]

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Another electrical problem. Embarrassing.

Don Stevens said the whole town is dark. but the slots are on he said because the backup charger LOL

[duncan04]

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Another electrical problem. Embarrassing.

Delta Downs has nothing to do with it. There is a power outage affecting over 1,600 customers.

[duncan04]

Don Stevens said the whole town is dark. but the slots are on he said because the backup charger LOL

Everyone knows the casino never goes dark. Lol

[Ruffian1]

Possible, they haven't quite figured out electricity in Louisiana yet. :bang: :rolleyes:

Some of the riders down there had electricity figured out years ago.:)

[Ruffian1]

The key to Chucktown is to find value on closers, even though that place is a bullring, its REALLY hard to wire the field there, jocks really ride at this place, hardly a race goes by where someone gets a lone lead and nobody pressures him. Guys' race horses' there, sometimes you can bet against a short priced speed at 7F from post 1 knowing he will get the lead and get hounded all the way.

CT is also a great 'warmup' track, the camera guy does a great job following horses warming up, that's an edge you have if you know what to look for.

Spot on C.T. analysis.

[Stillriledup]

Spot on C.T. analysis.

Thanks. Feels good to be spot on about SOMETHING. :D

[Tom]

Not to forget the ULTIMATE equipment changes not being announced until 4 minutes to post. :D

It was "changed" in the paddock!

[ronsmac]

The key to Chucktown is to find value on closers, even though that place is a bullring, its REALLY hard to wire the field there, jocks really ride at this place, hardly a race goes by where someone gets a lone lead and nobody pressures him. Guys' race horses' there, sometimes you can bet against a short priced speed at 7F from post 1 knowing he will get the lead and get hounded all the way.

CT is also a great 'warmup' track, the camera guy does a great job following horses warming up, that's an edge you have if you know what to look for.
You're going to lose your edge, if i tell 10 people and then they tell 10 and those 10 tell 10 more.

[Hambletonian]

Sometimes jocks have their minds made up going in that they really don't want to ride one and go out there knowing that if they make it out of the paddock and the horse ends up scratched based on their complaint to the vet, they're going to get paid.
.

I had a part of a horse that in his prior race the jock had, how shall we say, ridden him tentatively through the lane. Like in a full on strangle hold, which he topped off with a very obvious peak underneath him as he crossed the wire, apparently to confirm that all four legs were firmly attached. The partners all noticed and assumed the horse was lame, but the jockey insisted it was because the saddle was slipping.

So we enter the horse again, pay for the pre race meds, paddock fees, etc, etc, the same jock mounts up, rides right to the vet, and had him scratched lame.
The POS pockets his fee and leaves us with a horse on the vets list.

If he had just be honest he could have saved us some money and time, but I guess he wanted his riding fee real bad.