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BlueShoe
03-05-2013, 05:21 PM
A tyrant has finally left this life, making the world a slightly better place due to his passing. :jump: Am sure that there will be great mourning and tears tonight in LiberalLand seeing one of their own depart. :rolleyes:
http://abcnews.go.com/international/hugo-chavez-dead-president-venezuela-58-died-cancer/story?id=16198379

fast4522
03-05-2013, 05:23 PM
Cool.

Steve R
03-05-2013, 05:24 PM
A tyrant has finally left this life, making the world a slightly better place due to his passing. :jump: Am sure that there will be great mourning and tears tonight in LiberalLand seeing one of their own depart. :rolleyes:
http://abcnews.go.com/international/hugo-chavez-dead-president-venezuela-58-died-cancer/story?id=16198379
This will get me banned from the site but, frankly, I don't give a shit. **** you and every other fascist asshole on this forum.

****? I mean f_ck

JustRalph
03-05-2013, 05:37 PM
This will get me banned from the site but, frankly, I don't give a shit. **** you and every other fascist asshole on this forum.

****? I mean f_ck

Really? I didn't suspect you were that far gone............

1 down, 1 to go. Sean Penn just lost a boyfriend. He's now exclusive with Castro

johnhannibalsmith
03-05-2013, 05:42 PM
This will get me banned from the site but, frankly, I don't give a shit. ...

Oh now, now. You reacted to someone celebrating a death. I think you may get a smidge of latitude for that reply in that context.

horses4courses
03-05-2013, 05:45 PM
I'm liberal, but have no love for Chavez.
He lacked rationality, and was dangerously unpredictable.

However, when those on the Right get so giddy about his death, they seldom see two feet beyond their own noses.
Have you asked yourselves who will replace him? It's a longshot that relations will get better with Venezuela.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss........ :rolleyes:

BlueShoe
03-05-2013, 05:48 PM
This will get me banned from the site but, frankly, I don't give a shit. **** you and every other fascist asshole on this forum.

****? I mean f_ck
You got it backwards Comrade. It was Hugo that was the fascist, not those of us that label ourselves as Conservatives. Fascism is far left, not far right, in spite of what the leftists try to spin. Those of you on the left really should get your political labels and definitions straightened out. But thanks for so soon confirming my prediction of lefties mourning Hugo's demise.

Robert Goren
03-05-2013, 06:15 PM
Hugo was a lot things including a commie, but he was not a fascist. Fascist and and Communists are and have always been bitter enemies. Hitler treated Communists like He treated Jews. Only the prevert mind of a far right winger would consider a commie a fascist. That is because they are the facsists with their racist views combined with their idea of sticking the government's nose into to everything from who can marry who to what a woman can do with her body.

JustRalph
03-05-2013, 06:39 PM
I'm liberal, but have no love for Chavez.
He lacked rationality, and was dangerously unpredictable.

However, when those on the Right get so giddy about his death, they seldom see two feet beyond their own noses.
Have you asked yourselves who will replace him? It's a longshot that relations will get better with Venezuela.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss........ :rolleyes:

Funny , ever heard of Egypt? Libya ?

DJofSD
03-05-2013, 06:44 PM
It's Bush's fault.

johnhannibalsmith
03-05-2013, 06:50 PM
It's Bush's fault.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/05/17196733-venezuela-vp-chavezs-cancer-was-an-attack-by-his-enemies?lite

Hours before Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez died, his second-in-command accused enemies of giving him cancer and announced the expulsion of two U.S. diplomats for an alleged plot to destabilize the government.


"There's no doubt that Commandante Chavez's health came under attack by the enemy," Vice President Nicolas Maduro said in an address to the nation from the presidential palace.


"The old enemies of our fatherland looked for a way to harm his health,'' according to Maduro, drawing a parallel to the illness and 2004 death of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, which some supporters blamed on poisoning by Israeli agents.


Obviously Cheney's fingerprints are all over this one too.

redshift1
03-05-2013, 07:16 PM
Tough last couple of years for Chavez, would not wish that on anyone.

JustRalph
03-05-2013, 07:24 PM
Over at Dem Underground they are in mourning a hero to the working class.

Predicting CIA invasion and speculating on whether the CIA gave him cancer.

Next news term : Venezuela Spring!

BlueShoe
03-05-2013, 07:26 PM
Hugo was a lot things including a commie, but he was not a fascist. Fascist and and Communists are and have always been bitter enemies. Hitler treated Communists like He treated Jews. Only the prevert mind of a far right winger would consider a commie a fascist.
ANY form of government than subjugates and suppresses individual freedoms and rights while at the same time elevates the powers of the State to the point of tyranny is left wing, regardless of what word comes before "ism." To try an analogy, the fact that Nazi Germany and the USSR were bitter enemies is like two vicious criminal gangs saying "We are going to execute you, but we are having a fight to the death over just how to do it."

cj's dad
03-05-2013, 07:30 PM
There is a GOD ! F U You Hugo !!! Glad you are dead. Hope your communist ass is burning in hell. Again - FU !!!!!!!! Burn baby Burn !! Hahahahahha

BlueShoe
03-05-2013, 07:33 PM
It's Bush's fault.
Naw, everyone knows that Nixon did it.

dartman51
03-05-2013, 07:52 PM
I'm liberal, but have no love for Chavez.
He lacked rationality, and was dangerously unpredictable.

However, when those on the Right get so giddy about his death, they seldom see two feet beyond their own noses.
Have you asked yourselves who will replace him? It's a longshot that relations will get better with Venezuela.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss........ :rolleyes:

You are correct. As the old saying goes, "be careful what you wish for." There is probably someone just as bad, if not worse, waiting in the wings. :ThmbUp:

dartman51
03-05-2013, 07:57 PM
Obviously Cheney's fingerprints are all over this one too.


:lol: Obviously. :lol:

dartman51
03-05-2013, 07:58 PM
Tough last couple of years for Chavez, would not wish that on anyone.


You reap what you sow. :ThmbUp:

horses4courses
03-05-2013, 08:01 PM
You are correct. As the old saying goes, "be careful what you wish for." There is probably someone just as bad, if not worse, waiting in the wings. :ThmbUp:

This could get ugly, too.
On one side, you have Chavez's right hand man, Maduro - another socialist.
Then there is the wealthy Cabello, who controls the military, and has ties to drug trafficking. Stay tuned......

http://www.policymic.com/articles/20724/hugo-chavez-death-watch-if-the-venezuela-president-dies-who-will-replace-him

DJofSD
03-05-2013, 08:37 PM
Spooky: March 5th is the same day of the month that Joseph Stalin died, in 1953.

364 days until the next opportunity.

Greyfox
03-05-2013, 08:43 PM
Tough last couple of years for Chavez, would not wish that on anyone.

Good post. :ThmbUp:

(P.S. I didn't agree with the man or his politics.)

PaceAdvantage
03-05-2013, 08:56 PM
This will get me banned from the site but, frankly, I don't give a shit. **** you and every other fascist asshole on this forum.

****? I mean f_ckWhy so serious?

therussmeister
03-05-2013, 08:56 PM
Spooky: March 5th is the same day of the month that Joseph Stalin died, in 1953.

364 days until the next opportunity.
I fail to see why it's spooky, and I fail to see why it's 364 days. If I understand what you are trying to say I calculate it as 21,914 days.

PaceAdvantage
03-05-2013, 08:56 PM
I'm liberal, but have no love for Chavez.
He lacked rationality, and was dangerously unpredictable.

However, when those on the Right get so giddy about his death, they seldom see two feet beyond their own noses.
Have you asked yourselves who will replace him? It's a longshot that relations will get better with Venezuela.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss........ :rolleyes:Who was giddy, exactly?

PaceAdvantage
03-05-2013, 08:58 PM
Hugo was a lot things including a commie, but he was not a fascist. Fascist and and Communists are and have always been bitter enemies. Hitler treated Communists like He treated Jews. Only the prevert mind of a far right winger would consider a commie a fascist. That is because they are the facsists with their racist views combined with their idea of sticking the government's nose into to everything from who can marry who to what a woman can do with her body.BOO!

PaceAdvantage
03-05-2013, 08:59 PM
Who was giddy, exactly?OK, one guy was kinda giddy, but happened AFTER your reply, horses4courses...

horses4courses
03-05-2013, 09:08 PM
OK, one guy was kinda giddy, but happened AFTER your reply, horses4courses...

Oh, the thread starter had a little happy dance going.
I was merely concerned for his well being.
Happy dance, indeed...... ;)

ArlJim78
03-05-2013, 09:38 PM
Hugo was a lot things including a commie, but he was not a fascist. Fascist and and Communists are and have always been bitter enemies. Hitler treated Communists like He treated Jews. Only the prevert mind of a far right winger would consider a commie a fascist. That is because they are the facsists with their racist views combined with their idea of sticking the government's nose into to everything from who can marry who to what a woman can do with her body.
oh boy, so let me get this straight, all though world history, traditional marriage was a government intrusion by fascists or racists? until he "evolved" during the last election cycle, your beloved Obama was in favor of traditional marriage. prior to that was he a fascist or a racist? that's what I'd like to clear up for the record.

by the way, as a staunch obamacare supporter you make a lousy spokesman for the "keep government out of our lives" crowd.

elysiantraveller
03-05-2013, 10:24 PM
:eek:

Wow there are some on edge people in here... and... well... Goren...

PaceAdvantage
03-05-2013, 10:51 PM
I know he has a busy schedule (the events of Benghazi kind of brought that to stark attention) but maybe, just maybe Obama will find time to attend the funeral?

After all, they seemed like the best of pals not too long ago:

http://col.stb.s-msn.com/amnews/i/3b/7093fb230e96c45d01cf256848592_h366_w650_m6_lfalse. jpg

Tom
03-05-2013, 11:01 PM
Funny , ever heard of Egypt? Libya ?

Obama's legacy.

delayjf
03-05-2013, 11:11 PM
Then there is the wealthy Cabello, who controls the military, and has ties to drug trafficking. Stay tuned......

Panama II and Cheney will make it look like they started it. :lol:

PaceAdvantage
03-05-2013, 11:16 PM
I know he has a busy schedule (the events of Benghazi kind of brought that to stark attention) but maybe, just maybe Obama will find time to attend the funeral?

After all, they seemed like the best of pals not too long ago:

http://col.stb.s-msn.com/amnews/i/3b/7093fb230e96c45d01cf256848592_h366_w650_m6_lfalse. jpgOre.....maybe this is the exact moment when Obama slipped Chavez the cancer mickey? Note the placement of Obama's left hand...

"Oh, sorry Hugo...didn't mean to accidentally stick you with my American Flag lapel pin I am holding in my hand and not wearing on my lapel such that I may not offend such a noble world leader such as yourself...wink wink..."

Nah...it probably didn't go down like that...

Sorry in advance for the tasteless humor...

Rookies
03-05-2013, 11:40 PM
Ore.....maybe this is the exact moment when Obama slipped Chavez the cancer mickey? Note the placement of Obama's left hand...

"Oh, sorry Hugo...didn't mean to accidentally stick you with my American Flag lapel pin I am holding in my hand and not wearing on my lapel such that I may not offend such a noble world leader such as yourself...wink wink..."

Nah...it probably didn't go down like that...

Sorry in advance for the tasteless humor...

Mr. Giddy... come on down! :rolleyes:

Personally, I'm never a fan of tyrants of the right or left. I have evolved to being almost a crotchety Con in my old age- a Social Democrat v.s. a Democratic Socialist of my youth)

(Segue: Old Blue, yanking out the latest Reds from under his bed, sees only one word: 'Commies' as the ism responsible for everything, he's so blinded.)

He/others, batting from the right side of the plate, probably think that CIA initiatives in the propping up of brutal right wing tyrants and despots across the world was good and proper U.S. diplomacy for the past 60 years. It absolutely was not and helps to creates the historic conditions for left wing populists like Chavez, plus hatred for the U.S.

A Lose-Lose situation.

I'll be interested in seeing how the Obama Administration reacts in the days to come in responding more so to the future of Venezuela, rather than the death of Chavez.

Oh-and also the next one, far more important to U.S. interests- the death of Fidel.;)

PaceAdvantage
03-05-2013, 11:43 PM
Mr. Giddy... come on down! :rolleyes: Giddy? Not at all. Just humoring the implications that the US was somehow responsible for Chavez contracting cancer during some sort of super-secret CIA mission.

Although I still say the Obama "Accidental Flag Pin Stick" is a more viable theory.

I mean, LOOK at Obama's left hand in that shot...he's goin' for it I tells ya...

riskman
03-05-2013, 11:52 PM
This will get me banned from the site but, frankly, I don't give a shit. **** you and every other fascist asshole on this forum.

****? I mean f_ck

And it should come as no surprise, either — leftists are childish.

PaceAdvantage
03-05-2013, 11:55 PM
I just noticed Obama IS wearing his lapel flag pin in that shot...the jury will be instructed to disregard such flimsy evidence against my theory.... :lol:

newtothegame
03-06-2013, 12:06 AM
:eek:

Wow there are some on edge people in here... and... well... Goren...

lmao :lol: on edge, off the ledge...somewhere in the middle...who the hell knows!

horses4courses
03-06-2013, 08:46 AM
And it should come as no surprise, either — leftists are childish.

I'm afraid that you'll need to be more specific.
Would you be referring to the first, or second, childhood?
Very often, it's the latter that kicks in around here.
Horse racing demographics, and all that. ;)

BlueShoe
03-06-2013, 02:17 PM
Just as expected, the Hollywood Comrades, at least this pair, with more certain to follow, have come out praising Ugo and mourning his passing.
www.abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/03/sean-penn-mourns-death-of-hugo-chavez/ (http://www.abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/03/sean-penn-mourns-death-of-hugo-chavez/)

Tom
03-06-2013, 02:51 PM
Well, I guess that's that then.
Stone and Penn......the voice of reason has spoken.



:lol::lol::lol:

badcompany
03-06-2013, 02:54 PM
Apparently Chavito had a net worth of 2 billion, but I'm sure he was paying his "fair share." ;)

DJofSD
03-06-2013, 02:56 PM
Apparently Chavito had a net worth of 2 billion, but I'm sure he was paying his "fair share." ;)
Any of his money invested offshore? Cayman islands?

Mike at A+
03-07-2013, 09:29 AM
Smelling sulfur yet?

Johnny V
03-07-2013, 09:58 AM
Good riddance. Chavez is just another carcass in Caracas as far as I am concerned.

thaskalos
03-07-2013, 10:12 AM
How peculiar we are at times...

Our presidents tell us that they will protect our country's rights at all costs...and we applaud them wildly.

Hugo Chavez said the same to his people...and we paint him as a monster.

Americans laugh when other countries presume to tell them about the competency of their political leaders...and we can be sure that Venezuelans do the same thing.

Whether a president is "successful" or not is dependent on the verdict of those who elected him. The rest of the world has little to say about it...

Unless we happen to think that every country's president should "work" for the United States...

precocity
03-07-2013, 10:31 AM
How peculiar we are at times...

Our presidents tell us that they will protect our country's rights at all costs...and we applaud them wildly.

Hugo Chavez said the same to his people...and we paint him as a monster.

Americans laugh when other countries presume to tell them about the competency of their political leaders...and we can be sure that Venezuelans do the same thing.

Whether a president is "successful" or not is dependent on the verdict of those who elected him. The rest of the world has little to say about it...

Unless we happen to think that every country's president should "work" for the United States...
good post :ThmbUp:

precocity
03-07-2013, 10:33 AM
but I have to admit I laughed my azz off when he stood in front of the UN and called bush the devil? :D I do have a since of humor. ;)

DJofSD
03-07-2013, 10:33 AM
good post :ThmbUp:
What's so good about it?

elysiantraveller
03-07-2013, 10:39 AM
Whether a president is "successful" or not is dependent on the verdict of those who elected him. The rest of the world has little to say about it...

Well you have to be "elected" first...

Human Rights Watch: Venezuela (http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/03/05/venezuela-chavez-s-authoritarian-legacy)

Regardless of politics this is why most people don't like him.

thaskalos
03-07-2013, 10:44 AM
Well you have to be "elected" first...

Human Rights Watch: Venezuela (http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/03/05/venezuela-chavez-s-authoritarian-legacy)

Regardless of politics this is why most people don't like him.

Well...I remember reading much worse about the Shah of Iran...but "most people" liked him...:rolleyes:

precocity
03-07-2013, 10:48 AM
What's so good about it?

I'm sure you were not born in venezuela? probably just listen to the american media hype job, not sure? but if the venezuela people elected him then the people spoke. but a lot of americans paint him as a monster. well there are a lot of american presidents that the rest of the world consider monsters and war mongers.just saying brah!

DJofSD
03-07-2013, 10:59 AM
I'm sure you were not born in venezuela? probably just listen to the american media hype job, not sure? but if the venezuela people elected him then the people spoke. but a lot of americans paint him as a monster. well there are a lot of american presidents that the rest of the world consider monsters and war mongers.just saying brah!
Brah?

No, not born in Venezuela.

No. I don't listen to media hype. I'd use the word propaganda. I do make efforts to get information from outside the US. Here's (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/iran-blog/2013/mar/07/ahmadinejad-chavez-resurrected-too-far) one example.

Sure, there are imperfect leaders every where. The only leader I am aware of which claims perfection is the Pope and even that is limited in scope.

But my original query was more to the substance of thaskalos' post itself. If you agree with the sentiment, fine, I just was hoping for a little more substance than 'I agree.'

elysiantraveller
03-07-2013, 11:01 AM
I'm sure you were not born in venezuela? probably just listen to the american media hype job, not sure? but if the venezuela people elected him then the people spoke. but a lot of americans paint him as a monster. well there are a lot of american presidents that the rest of the world consider monsters and war mongers.just saying brah!

My advice to you and thask would be to go talk to some Venezuelan ex-pats and see what they think.

thaskalos
03-07-2013, 11:04 AM
My advice to you and thask would be to go talk to some Venezuelan ex-pats and see what they think.

Oh...I forgot that you had your thumb on the pulse of all that is political...:)

DJofSD
03-07-2013, 11:08 AM
In my life, I have been able to talk with ex-patritots from Russia, Italy, Cuba, Peru and Mexico (most with dual citizenship not going back). They're here for a reason which would be characterized as freedom -- they have it here, they did not have it there.

While the US has its problems, I believe it is still better than most other places to live -- at least that's the wisdom I've learned from those ex-pats.

precocity
03-07-2013, 11:13 AM
Brah?

No, not born in Venezuela.

No. I don't listen to media hype. I'd use the word propaganda. I do make efforts to get information from outside the US. Here's (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/iran-blog/2013/mar/07/ahmadinejad-chavez-resurrected-too-far) one example.

Sure, there are imperfect leaders every where. The only leader I am aware of which claims perfection is the Pope and even that is limited in scope.

But my original query was more to the substance of daskalos' post itself. If you agree with the sentiment, fine, I just was hoping for a little more substance than 'I agree.'

good post, and I agree with daskalos post and see where your coming from, just saying when the media hype job starts and call other presidents monsters
and he dies then people say burn in hell and all that other crap to me thats BS. now if were talking about hitler then I understand.

precocity
03-07-2013, 11:20 AM
My advice to you and thask would be to go talk to some Venezuelan ex-pats and see what they think.
to YOU why dont you talk to the people who supported him.

thaskalos
03-07-2013, 11:23 AM
In my life, I have been able to talk with ex-patritots from Russia, Italy, Cuba, Peru and Mexico (most with dual citizenship not going back). They're here for a reason which would be characterized as freedom -- they have it here, they did not have it there.

While the US has its problems, I believe it is still better than most other places to live -- at least that's the wisdom I've learned from those ex-pats.

You are not going to find many who will disagree with you on this...and my initial post here was not meant as an attack on the level of freedom that we enjoy in this country.

I was just saying that Hugo Chavez' primary obligation was to the people of Velenzuela...and THEY should be the ones to decide whether his reign was a successful one or not.

The man is not a "monster" just because we -- in this country -- make him out as one.

I have seen much worse "monsters" in my day...and some were supported by our country...

riskman
03-07-2013, 11:28 AM
I'm afraid that you'll need to be more specific.
Would you be referring to the first, or second, childhood?
Very often, it's the latter that kicks in around here.
Horse racing demographics, and all that. ;)

Actually, I enjoy reading most of Steve R posts and very rarely comment on his views. Although, I do not agree with most of posts I do find them interesting and sometimes provocative.This is what this forum is about.

Steve just got a little twisted here on the reaction of the Chavez departure. All is good, and may the horses be with you.

DJofSD
03-07-2013, 11:30 AM
You are not going to find many who will disagree with you on this...and my initial post here was not meant as an attack on the level of freedom that we enjoy in this country.

I was just saying that Hugo Chavez' primary obligation was to the people of Velenzuela...and THEY should be the ones to decide whether his reign was a successful one or not.

The man is not a "monster" just because we -- in this country -- make him out as one.

I have seen much worse "monsters" in my day...and some were supported by our country...
Not taken as such.

Implied in my response is my believe (hope) that the country is stronger, longer lasting than any of its leaders.

P.S. In the long run, I hope this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavo_Dudamel) has a greater influence on the future of Venezuelan's than HC.

DJofSD
03-07-2013, 12:57 PM
And then there is this from the UN (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-07/venezuelans-quality-of-life-improved-in-un-index-under-chavez.html) .

Excerpt beyond the 1st paragraph:
Unsustainable Policies

“Chavez did improve people’s lives economically,” said Smilde. “He didn’t necessarily improve people’s economic future because a lot of the things he did aren’t sustainable.”

Chavez’s detractors also blame his government for a rise in crime and a deterioration in governability.

Homicides rose 23 percent in 2012 to 16,030 from 13,080 in 2010, according to a report Maduro presented to the National Assembly Feb. 28. The Venezuelan Violence Observatory, a non- governmental organization, puts the number higher, estimating 21,692 people, or 59 people a day, were murdered in 2012. The murder rate of 73 per 100,000 inhabitants is the highest in South America. In the U.S., the murder rate was five per 100,000 in 2009.

thaskalos
03-07-2013, 01:06 PM
And then there is this from the UN (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-07/venezuelans-quality-of-life-improved-in-un-index-under-chavez.html) .



From the UN?

Having read these pages studiously these last few years, I would have never imagined that anyone here would care much about what the UN had to say...about ANYTHING! :)

DJofSD
03-07-2013, 01:11 PM
Ya, ya, I know. A former cowork was at the UN, and some of the stories he told just made you shake your head. His position was as technical support in IT for their nuclear division/offices/whatever-it-is-called, and, I would assume at least there'd not be that much political BS. Wrong. It touched even his day-in, day-out work.

elysiantraveller
03-07-2013, 01:17 PM
Oh...I forgot that you had your thumb on the pulse of all that is political...:)

My bad... Didn't mean to interfere with your contrarian ways...

I'm sure when he wasn't locking up dissenters, censoring the media, rigging elections, and trampling his own constitution he was a pretty good guy.

Do yourself a favor and instead of hurling insults google ANY human rights organization and see what they had to think about Chavez.

Christ you sound petty right now.

thaskalos
03-07-2013, 01:24 PM
My bad... Didn't mean to interfere with your contrarian ways...

I'm sure when he wasn't locking up dissenters, censoring the media, rigging elections, and trampling his own constitution he was a pretty good guy.

Do yourself a favor and instead of hurling insults google ANY human rights organization and see what they had to think about Chavez.

Christ you sound petty right now.

I thought it was widely understood that a smilie face was a signal of someone who is kidding; I guess I must be mistaken.

Hurling insults? That's never been my style...and I seriously doubt that anything I've stated here qualifies to be regarded as such...

I would favorably compare my "insult hurling" to yours anytime; AND my "pettiness"...

elysiantraveller
03-07-2013, 01:26 PM
I thought it was widely understood that a smilie face was a signal of someone who is kidding; I guess I must be mistaken.

Hurling insults? That's never been my style...and I seriously doubt that anything I've stated here qualifies to be regarded as such...

I would favorably compare my "insult hurling" to yours anytime; AND my "pettiness"...

My bad.

Use a ;) next time.

thaskalos
03-07-2013, 01:28 PM
My bad.

Use a ;) next time.

Aye aye, sir...:)

DJofSD
03-07-2013, 01:29 PM
Geeze, is this another Paris Peace Conference shape of the table debate?

badcompany
03-07-2013, 01:53 PM
You see, the fatal assumption among economically illiterate liberals is that if you split up the pie evenly, the pie will stay the same size.

It won't.

In the case of Chavez, he used the profits of his National Oil Company, PDVSA, as an ATM for his Social Programs. The company had no money to invest in its future, and lo and behold, the profits started shrinking.

http://www.breakingviews.com/chavezs-cash-pump-pdvsa-runs-on-empty/21039482.article

The Thatcher line about Socialism working until you run out of other people's money, doesn't really dig deep enough.

What actually happens is that Socialism milks the wealth created under Capitalism, but, eventually the Capital is exhausted, the inefficiency of Socialist Central Planning becomes apparent and things end up worse than before the "Revolution."

What happened in Venezuala is akin to poor people getting a bunch of credit cards. Sure, they'll look like they're doing well for awhile, but, then those pesky bills start showing up..

thaskalos
03-07-2013, 02:04 PM
What happened in Venezuala is akin to poor people getting a bunch of credit cards. Sure, they'll look like they're doing well for awhile, but, then those pesky bills start showing up..

Sounds strikingly similar to what has happened here...no? :)

badcompany
03-07-2013, 02:07 PM
Sounds strikingly similar to what has happened here...no? :)

Yes, it's a product of an over-sized government that spends too much, and there's none bigger and spends more than ours.

Ask yourself this question: What would happen to your bankroll, if, every time you had a winning day, you gave the profits to a poor person?

fast4522
03-07-2013, 02:28 PM
How is Fidel Castro these days, bet he's next.

Bettowin
03-07-2013, 04:10 PM
Naw, everyone knows that Nixon did it.

Obama zapped him with a cancer causing ray from a drone. I'm sure he will soon take credit for it.

JustRalph
03-07-2013, 05:24 PM
Now they say his body will be on permanent display.

Get your travel agent on the phone right away

precocity
03-07-2013, 07:40 PM
Obama zapped him with a cancer causing ray from a drone. I'm sure he will soon take credit for it.

lmao :D

BlueShoe
03-07-2013, 10:11 PM
Now they say his body will be on permanent display.
In Red Square next to Lenin? Would seem to be the suitable place for it. :rolleyes:

DJofSD
03-08-2013, 01:16 PM
Now they say his body will be on permanent display.


Any one have a drone I can "borrow?"

Tom
03-08-2013, 02:03 PM
Now they say his body will be on permanent display.



Kind of like Larry King?

JustRalph
03-08-2013, 02:11 PM
A second opinion

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2289326/How-typical-Left-idolise-despot-gloried-attacking-America-Britain.html

JustRalph
03-08-2013, 02:55 PM
The Congressman representing the United States at Chavez funeral was named the most corrupt in Congress last year........5th District of NY. Which coincidentally I believe has Aqu racetrack in it.

:lol: Can't make it up any better......

Of course Jesse Jackson is there too.......

boxcar
03-08-2013, 07:25 PM
I know he has a busy schedule (the events of Benghazi kind of brought that to stark attention) but maybe, just maybe Obama will find time to attend the funeral?

After all, they seemed like the best of pals not too long ago:

http://col.stb.s-msn.com/amnews/i/3b/7093fb230e96c45d01cf256848592_h366_w650_m6_lfalse. jpg

If he does attend, it'll be interesting to see if BO bows at the foot of the casket. That might even be a precedent-setting, historical event. :D

Boxcar

PaceAdvantage
03-09-2013, 12:58 AM
I know he has a busy schedule (the events of Benghazi kind of brought that to stark attention) but maybe, just maybe Obama will find time to attend the funeral?

After all, they seemed like the best of pals not too long ago:

http://col.stb.s-msn.com/amnews/i/3b/7093fb230e96c45d01cf256848592_h366_w650_m6_lfalse. jpgI guess at the time, the caption to this photo could have read (with apologies to George W. Bush), "Chavie, you're doing a heck of a job."

JustRalph
09-22-2013, 03:26 AM
Hugo Chavez still dead! But his legacy lives on ........

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/venezuela-orders-temporary-takeover-toilet-paper-factory-002437055.html

His people are getting a shitty deal........