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Millpond68
03-03-2013, 02:26 PM
When they broke Biflash was 15-1, last change after break went to 9-1. What going on here???:eek: :eek: :eek:
Stillriledup
03-03-2013, 02:34 PM
Its one of 3 things.

1) People betting after the start.

2) People cancelling money on other runners after the start

3) People betting before the start and the money doesnt show up until the race is underway.

I think the key to this 'late betting' is that the one question people don't seem to ask enough of is this. Was the horse a tremendous overlay at 15-1 and 9-1 was more of the 'correct' price, or, was the horse already a bad underlay at 15-1 and the 15-1 to 9-1 doesnt make any sense at all.

Many times, its legit money and the bettors are just 'correcting' the odds.

But, i'm with you, it doesnt look good and perception is pretty important.
Robert Fischer
03-03-2013, 02:35 PM
When they broke Biflash was 15-1, last change after break went to 9-1. What going on here???:eek: :eek: :eek:

Bi Flash :3: was 11-1 at the break.

http://www.fotoshack.us/fotos/12163Biflash.jpg
lamboguy
03-03-2013, 02:44 PM
this is the way horse race wagering works in the year 2013.
Stillriledup
03-03-2013, 02:55 PM
this is the way horse race wagering works in the year 2013.

Big A Race 5, the winner was 2-1 at the top of the lane and won for fun and paid 8-5.

(Adding: He was 8-5 on the in house feed early in the race, he was 2-1 on the TVG feed at the top of the lane. Nice job TVG).
PhantomOnTour
03-03-2013, 02:59 PM
Bravo is having a hell of a meet on the turf at GP and Fawkes is a dangerous turf trainer. I think the market had a late correction.
Robert Fischer
03-03-2013, 03:12 PM
was also 3/3/13 race 3 horse number 3. The :3: had $13,613 in the win pool.


beware the ides of march...
lamboguy
03-03-2013, 03:15 PM
in the 6th @ saratoga harness the 1 horse was 1-5 at the break, i had him to win. in comes $2500 on all the other horses. the total win pool winds up with $19,000 in it. the other races don't have $2000 total.

this is the way racing works in the year 2013
Stillriledup
03-03-2013, 03:15 PM
was also 3/3/13 race 3 horse number 3. The :3: had $13,613 in the win pool.


beware the ides of march...

It was also a 30k claimer for a purse of 30,700 and his previous Beyer was 37!
lamboguy
03-03-2013, 04:03 PM
Juan Carlos Gurerro got thrown out of Parx about 18 months ago for life. there are now horses running in a trainer's name called LISA GURERRO. the horse was formally trained by JUAN CARLOS GURERRO. i don't know if there is some type of relationship or just pure coincidence.


this is racing in the year 2013
Stillriledup
03-03-2013, 04:29 PM
he got tossed for life lambo? I saw a horse race recently in his name at Aqu...why is Aqu not honoring the ban from Parx, don't tracks usually honor bans from other tracks?
lamboguy
03-03-2013, 04:41 PM
they threw him out of PARX
Stillriledup
03-03-2013, 04:46 PM
they threw him out of PARX

My question was why dont other tracks follow suit and ban him also? If a jock from Parx gets a riding suspension, he can't ride at other tracks...why not trainers?
lamboguy
03-03-2013, 04:58 PM
My question was why dont other tracks follow suit and ban him also? If a jock from Parx gets a riding suspension, he can't ride at other tracks...why not trainers?
because that is racing in the year 2013
The Hawk
03-03-2013, 05:40 PM
in the 6th @ saratoga harness the 1 horse was 1-5 at the break, i had him to win. in comes $2500 on all the other horses. the total win pool winds up with $19,000 in it. the other races don't have $2000 total.

this is the way racing works in the year 2013

You had a 1/5 shot -- in a harness race -- to win?
moneyandland
03-03-2013, 05:50 PM
You had a 1/5 shot -- in a harness race -- to win?

Yeah, he paid $13.80 lol the horse was 1/5 going to post and someone manipulated the pool by betting 2000 on the other horses, most likely to bet offshore
cj
03-03-2013, 08:00 PM
Juan Carlos Gurerro got thrown out of Parx about 18 months ago for life. there are now horses running in a trainer's name called LISA GURERRO. the horse was formally trained by JUAN CARLOS GURERRO. i don't know if there is some type of relationship or just pure coincidence.


this is racing in the year 2013

Come on, that is an outright lie. You already participated in a thread about her and you know darn well who she is.
The Hawk
03-03-2013, 08:30 PM
Yeah, he paid $13.80 lol the horse was 1/5 going to post and someone manipulated the pool by betting 2000 on the other horses, most likely to bet offshore

Now THAT's the 1/5 shot to have!
overthehill
03-04-2013, 12:25 PM
I watch the tote board and this seems to be a common occurance now. 30 years ago when i bet every day at the track in new york. the most amazing drops i remember were a horse who went from 5-1 to 7-2 and a horse who went from 14-1 to 10-1. now its a common occurrance to see horses go from 3-1 to 9-5 . what i suspect is that that there is a delay in the money from all the betting locations being centalized. how long the delay is i have no idea. I also seem to recall that there was an issue that big whale betters are tied directly in the some of these off track location s so that they can get a last second read on bettting prices before putting their own money thru the windows. if racing had any integrity they would provide some data as to how much money was coming from different sources and when, but it has none.
I stopped betting fairgrounds pretty much because there was so much late play affecting odds. I had one horse go from 17-1 to 4-1 as the race went off. I was pissed especially since it didnt win.