AQU 1/27/2013 Late Pick 4 payoff question

[moneyandland]

My friend hit the late pick 4 for 50 cents, when the probables were shown it was listed as $15,350, there were no late scratches after the race was official the payoff was, $15,024.00 WHY?

[picojim]

My friend hit the late pick 4 for 50 cents, when the probables were shown it was listed as $15,350, there were no late scratches after the race was official the payoff was, $15,024.00 WHY?

huh?
the 8 didnt win
the will pay for the 8 was $15,024.00
the 1 won and paid $3756.00

[moneyandland]

huh?
the 8 didnt win
the will pay for the 8 was $15,024.00
the 1 won and paid $3756.00

I know he had all/3/2,4,5/1 for $0.50 and it was shown as $15,350, the 8 $14,122, I have screen shot i'll see if i can get it posted, official payoff was $15,024.00 for $2... Why the difference?

[Stillriledup]

I know he had all/3/2,4,5/1 for $0.50 and it was shown as $15,350, the 8 $14,122, I have screen shot i'll see if i can get it posted, official payoff was $15,024.00 for $2... Why the difference?

The 8 didnt win the race. The official payoff was to the 1 horse.

[moneyandland]

The 8 didnt win the race. The official payoff was to the 1 horse.



:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: OMG, WHY, WHY do I ask questions here, at what point did I ever say the !#@$&%$ 8 won????????

I didn't mention the 8 in my original post, TVGfan mentioned the 8 and said that $15,024 was the payoff for the 8, which it wasn't...

I know who won the race I collected the Double, I didn't ask anyone who won the race

I guess it's my fault, Sun Tzu said: "If words of command are not clear and distinct, if orders are not thoroughly understood, then the general is to blame."

This is what I would like anyone's input on... Aqueduct show payoff of X and there are no scratches to change payoff, Payoff returns Y, What is the reason for this? Are payoffs over a certain amount estimated/rounded? or is this something that should be looked into ALA Breeder's Cup Pick 6

[moneyandland]

Pick 4 will pays are still shown on Twinspires right now, it shows $7,675.00 for a $1 ticket

[menifee]

My only thought is that the will pays were calculated incorrectly or that someone was able to get a ticket in before the 6 or 10 scratched. Maybe they put it in early this morning and once the scratches were received, they got put over to the 1 who was the post time favorite.

[Stillriledup]

My only thought is that the will pays were calculated incorrectly or that someone was able to get a ticket in before the 6 or 10 scratched. Maybe they put it in early this morning and once the scratches were received, they got put over to the 1 who was the post time favorite.

This happens a lot, early bird betting causes winning favorites to produce payouts that arent what are normally listed.

[Stillriledup]

:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: OMG, WHY, WHY do I ask questions here, at what point did I ever say the !#@$&%$ 8 won????????

I didn't mention the 8 in my original post, TVGfan mentioned the 8 and said that $15,024 was the payoff for the 8, which it wasn't...

I know who won the race I collected the Double, I didn't ask anyone who won the race

I guess it's my fault, Sun Tzu said: "If words of command are not clear and distinct, if orders are not thoroughly understood, then the general is to blame."

This is what I would like anyone's input on... Aqueduct show payoff of X and there are no scratches to change payoff, Payoff returns Y, What is the reason for this? Are payoffs over a certain amount estimated/rounded? or is this something that should be looked into ALA Breeder's Cup Pick 6

You said the official payoff was 15, 024 but the 8 didnt win so there was no official payoff. What am i missing? :bang:

[moneyandland]

You said the official payoff was 15, 024 but the 8 didnt win so there was no official payoff. What am i missing? :bang:

Payoff for #1 My Sparky was shown on Aqu Tv feed as $15,350 when they show the will pays after the replay of the previous race, #1 My Sparky won, the race was made official, the payoff was instead $15,024.00 yet there was no late scratches to change the will pay.... WHY?

[davew]

that is a good question

the will-pays are still shown on www.nyra.com (http://www.nyra.com) as well as the results.


I have been scratching my head why less than 98% got paid than what they said and can not come up with a good explanation.

I was wondering about late reporting? net pooling? bet retractions?


Your friend should contact aqueduct mutual manager and demand an explanation they can understand.

[moneyandland]

My only thought is that the will pays were calculated incorrectly or that someone was able to get a ticket in before the 6 or 10 scratched. Maybe they put it in early this morning and once the scratches were received, they got put over to the 1 who was the post time favorite.

Ok, that makes sense, I thought tickets played before the 1st leg was run would just be refunds and moving horses to the favorite was only done with scratches that occur after the first race was run

[Some_One]

Net pool pricing will result in slightly different payouts if there are different takeouts.

[horses4courses]

Seems you aren't taking your prescribed tablets.
The man never mentioned playing the :8: horse, but you keep having to tell him that the 8 didn't win. It's like a mini "Who's on first?" dude.......

If I were you, I might try a quiet room playing some Mozart for an hour, or so.

In your defense, though, the tvg guy lead you up the wrong path.
Imagine that....... ;)

[LAP_520]

There is a difference in the probable will pays and the actual payout. I had to do a double take on what amount to use in the Inner Track contest thread....I usually go with the probables to begin with ..then divide the NYRA TV screen payout for a $2 payoff... BIG difference today. NO logical reason for the difference ... think someone mis calculated on the probables and never caught the mistake. I have had as much as cents differences,, but nothing like today.

Probable $1 Pick 4 ... 2/3/2 with 1 = $7,675.

$2 Pick 4.......2---3,5----2-----1,6,10 (4 correct) $ 15,024.00

Actual $2 Pick 4 payout 2/3/2/1 = $15,024. divided in half = $ 7,512.


Race 9.. the 6 and the 10 were scratched at the first listing of scratches.

Race 9 the ML Favorite was the #7, the Post Time Favorite was the #1.

Maybe things had to be adjusted because of that (?):confused:

In any case, NYRA should come out with an explaination. $163. per ticket adds up real quickly.

[shouldacoulda]

My friend hit the late pick 4 for 50 cents, when the probables were shown it was listed as $15,350, there were no late scratches after the race was official the payoff was, $15,024.00 WHY?

Congratulations to your friend. Personally I wouldn't quibble over $326.00 when somebody is handing me $15K. But that's me.

[davew]

They do say scratches go to favorite and favorite was winner, so even though the 6 and 10 were scratched before racing started, someone somewhere may have had them in the late pick 4 and placed bet before scratches known.