Things I have learned on this forum

[jasperson]

After several glasses of merlot I ready to list the things I have learned on the forum.
1. Class is the only way to beat the races
2. Since class is hard to define it is worthless in handicapping
3. Speed rating are worthless because they are inaccurate
4 You can't be a successful handicapper without using speed ratings
5 Pace is the one way to beat the races
6. Pace is worthless
7. Quirin's running type and speed points are worthless
8 Quirin's running style and speed points are helpful
9. Par times are worthless
10. You can't be a successful handicapper without par times.
11. Raw times are better than speed ratings
12 Track variants are worthless in handicapping
13 Track variants are inaccurate
I am sure that I have left something out but my mind is clouded now
Jack

[Jay Trotter]

Was this a wine induced epiphany or were the grapes just incedental to your findings?

[dkithore]

After several glasses of merlot I ready to list the things I have learned on the forum.
1. Class is the only way to beat the races
2. Since class is hard to define it is worthless in handicapping
3. Speed rating are worthless because they are inaccurate
4 You can't be a successful handicapper without using speed ratings
5 Pace is the one way to beat the races
6. Pace is worthless
7. Quirin's running type and speed points are worthless
8 Quirin's running style and speed points are helpful
9. Par times are worthless
10. You can't be a successful handicapper without par times.
11. Raw times are better than speed ratings
12 Track variants are worthless in handicapping
13 Track variants are inaccurate.
I am sure that I have left something out but my mind is clouded now
Jack

Jas,

Yes you have left out something:

14. There is one absolute truth about profitability in racing.
15. No, there are no absolute truths. It is debatable whether it exists or not.

[Maximillion]

After several glasses of merlot I ready to list the things I have learned on the forum.
1. Class is the only way to beat the races
2. Since class is hard to define it is worthless in handicapping
3. Speed rating are worthless because they are inaccurate
4 You can't be a successful handicapper without using speed ratings
5 Pace is the one way to beat the races
6. Pace is worthless
7. Quirin's running type and speed points are worthless
8 Quirin's running style and speed points are helpful
9. Par times are worthless
10. You can't be a successful handicapper without par times.
11. Raw times are better than speed ratings
12 Track variants are worthless in handicapping
13 Track variants are inaccurate
I am sure that I have left something out but my mind is clouded now
Jack



This is IMO the best horse racing forum anywhere.....maybe you should switch to beer.

[jasperson]

This is IMO the best horse racing forum anywhere.....maybe you should switch to beer.
I switch from beer to wine because beer gave me a headache and it affected my handicapping

[Robert Goren]

I switch from wine to beer because it didn't affect my handicapping.

[Red Knave]

Jack, did you want some cheese with that whine?

[HUSKER55]

black jack and cheese.....skip the cheese :D

[DJofSD]

Jas,

Yes you have left out something:

14. There is one absolute truth about profitability in racing.
15. No, there are no absolute truths. It is debatable whether it exists or not.
The only absolute is there are not any absolutes. - me

[MightBeSosa]

This is IMO the best horse racing forum anywhere.....maybe you should switch to beer.

True, but is that the good news or the bad news.

jk. :D

[FrankieFigs]

After several glasses of merlot I ready to list the things I have learned on the forum.
1. Class is the only way to beat the races
2. Since class is hard to define it is worthless in handicapping
3. Speed rating are worthless because they are inaccurate
4 You can't be a successful handicapper without using speed ratings
5 Pace is the one way to beat the races
6. Pace is worthless
7. Quirin's running type and speed points are worthless
8 Quirin's running style and speed points are helpful
9. Par times are worthless
10. You can't be a successful handicapper without par times.
11. Raw times are better than speed ratings
12 Track variants are worthless in handicapping
13 Track variants are inaccurate
I am sure that I have left something out but my mind is clouded now
Jack

:ThmbUp: Great post!! :D

[turninforhome10]

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[lamboguy]

betting on horses is no different than any other thing that moves and breathes and tries to use any type of thought process. i would have a very tough time proving anyone to be wrong, but very easy to convince myself if i am doing something wrong.

in the world of ADW accounts these days it is very easy to tell if you are on the right path or the wrong one. all you have to do is look at your balance that appears on your account. if it is more than what you started with, you have done something right. if less than you are in the wrong direction. you don't need to listen to anyone else telling you what's right or wrong, you can see it with your own 2 eyes.

because i am a 40 year veteran of the wars of winning at betting on horse racing, i have seen plenty of different ways to skin a cat. there are people that do different things than myself that are winning at this game right now. i don't copy them, because i can't. my balance goes down in my ADW account just about every day for the past 10 years. i keep on dreaming that i can turn back the clocks to when i did win consistently year after year before simulcasting and rebates. the fact of the matter is that there are plenty of systems and methods are great until you go up against the parimutual takeout. that is the killer of this game.

today some guy took down a few pools in the sixth race at Aqueduct. he had a plan and got all the money. he deserves plenty of credit for his courage and conviction's.

[Greyfox]

Tug on Boxcar's cape in the thread entitled Religious.

Oops. I meant don't tug on Superman's cape in any other thread. :rolleyes:

[thaskalos]

Jas,

Yes you have left out something:

14. There is one absolute truth about profitability in racing.
15. No, there are no absolute truths. It is debatable whether it exists or not.

16. The pencil and paper guy's days are numbered. He can't compete with the high-tech players.

17. The computer is not savvy enough to deal with all the aspects of handicapping.

18. Win-betting is where it's at.

19. The exotics are where the big profits lie.

20. A good mentor is invaluable in this game.

21. Those who can...do -- and those who can't...teach.

[therussmeister]

16. The pencil and paper guy's days are numbered. He can't compete with the high-tech players.

17. The computer is not savvy enough to deal with all the aspects of handicapping.

18. Win-betting is where it's at.

19. The exotics are where the big profits lie.

20. A good mentor is invaluable in this game.

21. Those who can...do -- and those who can't...teach.
22. All the serious players play on track
23. All the serious players play on-line

[castaway01]

Funny stuff....thanks.

[shouldacoulda]

Dutching is the way to bet

Never play more than one horse to win

Don't bet to win bet to show and parlay

Parlays are no good. Parfaits are better.

[jasperson]

Jack, did you want some cheese with that whine?
I had some french bread with the wine and cheese. It sure was good.

[jasperson]

16. The pencil and paper guy's days are numbered. He can't compete with the high-tech players.

17. The computer is not savvy enough to deal with all the aspects of handicapping.

18. Win-betting is where it's at.

19. The exotics are where the big profits lie.

20. A good mentor is invaluable in this game.

21. Those who can...do -- and those who can't...teach.
I did forget a few things. Thanks for amending my list. These are some good ones

[shouldacoulda]

It's a good sign when the horse takes a dump before the race

It's a bad sign when a horse takes a dump before the race. (The kiss of death as one poster put it.)

[Maximillion]

I switch from beer to wine because beer gave me a headache and it affected my handicapping


I missed the humor in your post......maybe I should switch to wine.

[098poi]

I've learned that all handicappers are human. How many times do I find a thread like "How to apply E=MC squared to your handicapping" and follow with great interest for a couple of days only to come back and it's like, "I'm not an asshole you are. I'm leaving this board and taking my ideas elsewhere!" So it goes. I'll stick around for a while.

[Tom]

Grey horses in the mud.

[Robert Goren]

22. Slots will save racing
23. Slots will kill racing
24. DRF is overpriced
25. Bris speed ratings are bad
26. Nobody uses Equibase PPs
27. You can't bet a Jamie Ness trained horse
28. You can't bet against a Jamie Ness trained horse

[Red Knave]

Jack, did you want some cheese with that whine?
I had some french bread with the wine and cheese. It sure was good.
29. French bread, wine and cheese are bad.
30. Hoagies, beer and pretzels are good.

[Tom]

31. Coffee comes in kegs.

[bob60566]

32. Build a database for Keno

[maddog42]

You left out the biggee:

33. Trying to find value is the only way to win.
34. Forget value, Pick a lot of winners.

[atlasaxis]

Grey horses in the mud.

35. horses with their tails wrapped in the mud! :)

[johnhannibalsmith]

36) 3 PEOPLE UNFRIENDED ME every single time I go to any page on the site.

[KingChas]

37. TVG and HRTV and ABC and NBC and ESPN and all track feeds and all OTB's .....etc.......suck.
When it comes to televising horseracing.

[lamboguy]

38. BIG MAC and a few of his friends are staring at the old Alladin in Las Vegas performing their disappearing act.

[Bettowin]

39 - When trying to impress a woman at the track bet every horse to win and she will think you are a genius.

[thaskalos]

39 - When trying to impress a woman at the track bet every horse to win and she will think you are a genius.
Sure she'll be impressed...until she asks you to take her out to an expensive restaurant to celebrate after the killing you obviously made.

[traynor]

Sure she'll be impressed...until she asks you to take her out to an expensive restaurant to celebrate after the killing you obviously made.

You must not spend much time at NYRA tracks. It is almost mandatory procedure there to whip out a winning ticket in every race to dazzle the latest squeeze--even if it is only for a few dollars.

[dnlgfnk]

Just make sure she's not a gun moll ("The Lemon Drop Kid"...Bob Hope).

[HuggingTheRail]

40 <insert announcer or paddock host name here> is the best
41 <insert announcer or paddock host name here > is brutal, I mute them

[formula_2002]

42) how come the area of a circle calculates to infinity but the area of a rectangle with sum of its sides equal to the circumference of the circle is finite?

[Steve 'StatMan']

43) Ask the indian in the paddock who he likes. Indians know their horses.
44) Bet the gray horses in night races, the other horses will think it's a ghost.

[shouldacoulda]

42) how come the area of a circle calculates to infinity but the area of a rectangle with sum of its sides equal to the circumference of the circle is finite?
It's because the rectangle has corners. :ThmbUp:

[pele polo]

45) Never, ever bet Penn National
46) ... or Quarter Horse racing
47) Parx has no rhyme or reason
48) There are plenty of shenanigans in Louisiana racing

[HUSKER55]

bet a fast breaker on a muddy track becaue the mud is in the other horses eyes

[FrankieFigs]

49) Polytrack sucks.

[Viruss]

* when seperating early speed horses check the break call!!




Earl J

[appistappis]

50/ peter berry and v stauffer are cool.

[wisconsin]

51) I love this game
52) This game sucks

[shouldacoulda]

51) I love this game
52) This game sucks
:lol: :lol: :lol:
The yin and yang of the horseplayer. That was great! Thanks for the laugh.

[Midnight Cruiser]

53) You cant beat the races unless you are highly disciplined, track all of your action, lay off of certain races, focus on a specialty, and have a system to determine when there is value.

So based on what I have learned, I am now treating playing the horses as I used to treat golf. Its my hobby. I know Im not going to break 70, so I will continue to go out and hit balls and spend money on green fees and cocktails.

[Capper Al]

54. Stay out of the political threads. They're crazy ones out there. Some are very angry people and take it personal.

[JohnGalt1]

55. If you are a good handicapper you can make long term profits betting horses.

56. If you are a good handicapper you will still die broke.

[therussmeister]

57. Everyone on the internet is an idiot.

[Jay Trotter]

58. No matter what contest format you put together somone has a different way to do it.

59. The person with the different way to do it won't step up and acutally do it.

[pktruckdriver]

60. Learn how to score.

61. Never apologize online , it shows weakness !

62. Always trust the truck driver. He does not know how to be dis-honest, as that requires very specific thoughts.

[Tom]

63. TVG sucks.
64. HRTV sucks.
65. TVG really sucks.

[shouldacoulda]

66. If you're a really good handicapper you don't need a job.
67. To be a really good handicapper you have to treat it like a job.

[Robert Goren]

68. Horse racing is a sport. Betting on it is a game.

[raybo]

69. You can be a good handicapper but a terrible player.

[bob60566]

70 Empirical Data

[VastinMT]

68. Horse racing is a sport. Betting on it is a game.

68a. Horse racing is a sport. Betting on it is a game. Making money at it is a business.

[mountainman]

71) Every handicapper on every forum could construct a more accurate morning line than any track oddsmaker.

72) Everybody is a brilliant handicapper-some are just lousy at wagering.

73) Real men mute televised analysis.

[dkithore]

74. Handicapping requires more skills than luck
75, If you are lucky, then you will have the skills.

[CincyHorseplayer]

76)Horse betting is as much art as it is science.Much like religious belief,the unconscious,or even life itself,it frustrates pure scientific method.Therein lies the rub and the glory.

77)Talk loudly enough during a win streak and you'll see who your friends are!:cool:

[KidCapper]

78) When posting in the selections forum, always list at least 4 horses per race. Then claim every winner, exacta, trifecta, superfecta & pick 3,4,5,6 winners. No need to post bets or ROI's. You're an instant handicpping guru!

[Nets]

79. No matter what forum on horse racing you create, there is a strong certainty that a certain someone will come on and ask for help.

80. That same person will then turn on those who help and trash them publicly on the forum, REPEATEDLY.

81. That person will eventually complain about forum members who run contests and accuse them of unfairness.

82. That person will then use the "poor, poor me" card in response to others criticism of such behavior.

83. This will continue in a cycle on several different forums.

84. This will become tiresome to many like myself.

[therussmeister]

79. No matter what forum on horse racing you create, there is a strong certainty that a certain someone will come on and ask for help.

80. That same person will then turn on those who help and trash them publicly on the forum, REPEATEDLY.

81. That person will eventually complain about forum members who run contests and accuse them of unfairness.

82. That person will then use the "poor, poor me" card in response to others criticism of such behavior.

83. This will continue in a cycle on several different forums.

84. This will become tiresome to many like myself.
85. When someone complains about a person, but doesn't give a name, I never know who they are talking about.

[Nets]

85. When someone complains about a person, but doesn't give a name, I never know who they are talking about.

86. When another poster makes a valid point i need to acknowledge


You are correct russ. My apologies for allowing my frustration to take over. It certainly wasn't you at any rate.....lol

[raybo]

85. When someone complains about a person, but doesn't give a name, I never know who they are talking about.

That kind of ties in with #78, there are many to pick from.

[dnlgfnk]

This satirical exercise pretty much summarizes the board. Everyone is striving to be Bill Benter who, I think, caught lightning in a bottle by being just ahead of the tech guys by a decade vs. a culture of unsophisticated competition producing unrealistic odds, with the capability to wager thousands per race, a situation which can't be replicated in NY, Cal. or Fla.

The observations about how to uncover overlays in a horse race come with often technical verbiage and illustrations (I include myself), but largely get at the same thing:

The public largely gets it right more than any individual over time, and we use varied philosophies of horse performance in order to justify settling on those slightly less sexy-looking contestants, perhaps in the 6-1 to 15-1 range, who win or fill in the legs of our exotic wagers often enough to keep us in pursuit.

I too will keep plugging away.

[porchy44]

87. You can beat a race but you can't beat the races

88. You can beat the races but you can't always beat a race.

[1st time lasix]

89. You should NEVER hedge the back end of a pick four...pick five.... or pick six. 90. You should ALWAYS hedge the back end of a pick four ...pick five...or pick six with the horses you no longer alive to on the live ticket. ....

[formula_2002]

90.. and very important

I found a new way of helping your horse win a race.
Go on the internet and watch the race. You can slow down the closing horse by putting the cursor on it's nose.

[Gold9er]

91. not one person on this forum makes a profit in the long run (except me)

[HUSKER55]

another gracious winner, thank you for that insightful post. How do you do it?

[Red Knave]

Go on the internet and watch the race. You can slow down the closing horse by putting the cursor on it's nose.
I knew it!


They're just fake video games. ;)

[JohnGalt1]

92. The good thing about handicapping forums is that they usually stay on topic.

93. The bad thing about handicapping forums is that they usually are hijacked.

So how about the cost of concessions at our favorite tracks??????????????????

[dansan]

What I learned is you don't have pick winners to beat this game!

[BombsAway Bob]

"Just Bet the Best Last-Out Beyer"

http://youtu.be/Ks_1wwaG2CM

Ks_1wwaG2CM

http://youtu.be/Ks_1wwaG2CM

[pondman]

94. Class is measured by how many movies or record albums the owner has produced. Oil wells are also an important measure. (In response to #1)

[proximity]

from the forums:

95. HTH is the way, the truth, and the light!
96. but, HSR is better....

from the ads:

97. cougars want older men!
98. but cougar life cougars are on the prowl for younger men!!